Talk:Maindiff Court Hospital

Rudolf Hess

I have added a picture of Rudolf Hess, since he was kept here during the last world war. I have also deleted an unexplained deletion. 217.43.174.146 (talk) 16:48, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

I removed the image - as I explained in the WP:EDIT SUMMARY - because it is not relevant to this article. The article is about the hospital. Hess is relevant to the story of the hospital, I agree, but including a picture of him in a different place at a different time is not relevant to this article. I've pointed you to WP:PERTINENCE, which explains how images should relate directly to the article subject. One of the great advantages of Wikipedia over print encyclopedias is the existence of WP:WIKILINKS - so that someone reading this article and wanting to know more about Hess, or to see what he looked like, will simply click on the words Rudolf Hess. That is how things work here, not by adding images to articles without a clear reason for them. Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:12, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

This is a direct link to its history and your comments are quite irrelevant, and I might add, typical of the mindless bureaucracy which afflicts Wikipedia. I revert again. 217.43.174.146 (talk) 18:15, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

If the picture was one of Hess when he was at the hospital it would be relevant, but is not, and so it not relevant to the article. If every link was supported by a photo, Wikipedia would become a cluttered photo album. Also, I'm not convinced about the "Kaiser of Abergavenny" - can it be supported by a reliable source? I grew up not to far away, and have read quite a few histories of the area, and had never heard the term before reading the recent edits to the article. Robevans123 (talk) 22:49, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

It is the picture nearest to the topic, and gives the closest physical resemblance. Presumably you can do the research on your query locally since you live close by. 217.43.174.146 (talk) 13:08, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Interesting source found by User:Ghmyrtle regarding Hess being known as the "Kaiser of Abergavenny". At least it is contemporaneous (1945). The Ottawa Journal quotes the Daily Mirror in the UK. Don't know what the standard of journalism at the Mirror was like back in 1945, but I wouldn't today regard it as particularly reliable source, especially on details that add "colour" to a story like "the Kaiser of Abergavenny". I am reminded of what my father said many years ago about a newspaper story describing some of the victims of an aircraft crash. The victims were from Llantarnam. The (national) newspaper described Llantarnam as a mining village with the women cleaning their doorsteps waiting for men to come back from a shift at the pit - complete and utter tosh! But it added colour... Robevans123 (talk) 20:05, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm sure we wouldn't now want to use the Mirror as a reliable source if better sources were available; but, here, we are reporting the journalism of over 70 years ago, and it seems to me that if the paper at the time reported the use of the phrase "Kaiser of Abergavenny", and that claim has subsequently been repeated in other sources (as it has - I found several), it is worthy of being repeated here - even if it did also report Abergavenny as a "village". Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:15, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

The fact that the report referred to Abergavenny as a village rather suggests journalistic license... Unfortunately tosh and "colour" gets picked up and copied, and then gets confirmed by Wikipedia... I won't comment on this further, and won't be editing this page again. Robevans123 (talk) 20:24, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Whoever called Abergavenny a village must not have been local to the area and it would be questionable if they spent enough time in the area to see for themselves the town's then size. BTW we should beware judging a newspaper by its present day standard of reporting - this was not yet the era of Rupert Murdoch and Robert Maxwell's proprietorships of tabloids.Cloptonson (talk) 20:11, 30 December 2021 (UTC)