Talk:Magical Mystery Tour/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

References

1. T. Jefferson, "Declaration of Independence." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mea (talk • contribs) 04:45, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Not an official album until the CD era redux

I posted a message to the editor who reinserted a false edit which I deleted again stating that the American version of the MMT LP was not considered to be an official album until the CD era. We already had this discussion before on this talk page. Steelbeard1 (talk) 22:04, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

This album not listed in "Beatles [UK] Chronology"

There's a gap in the Beatles' UK chronology when cycling through albums; it goes from Sgt. Pepper's (1967) straight on to The White Album (1968) and then to Yellow Submarine. This album is considered part of the official Beatles catalog; and has been included in several box sets which feature only the "official" Beatles albums (which excludes the 9 or so EP's/LP's released in 1964 to 1966 in the US exclusively). Styk0n (talk) 13:13, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

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Video

Each song from the album has a music video — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.250.40.242 (talk) 23:07, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

side numbering

The recent editing of the second side two to four and back has me wondering what is "correct." If two is correct, then either three is wrong or we should have something explaining this oddity? --John (User:Jwy/talk) 02:52, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Credits

In Magical Mystery Tour#Personnel and in the "additional musicians" subsection, Penny Lane doesn't mention George Martin on piano, contradicting the information in Penny Lane#Personnel and 1 (Beatles album)#Personnel. However, I'm not going to make that change without citing a reliable source.--Kevjgav (talk) 07:48, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

You're right about that, but then this MMT Personnel list is unsourced right now, and it's missing a whole load of other details. I'm referring to swarmandal, violin, harpsichord, bongos, timpani, maracas, congas, handclaps, etc that the Beatles variously contributed to the previously released single tracks ("Penny Lane", "Strawberry Fields Forever", "All You Need Is Love"). Personally, I'd only list instruments/contributions for the six EP songs … By the way, that personnel list at "Penny Lane" is wrong, according to the source we cite there (Ian MacDonald). Seems someone's got creative with credits for the individual Beatles – I'll change them back to MacDonald's version. JG66 (talk) 23:48, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

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This doesn't make sense

Under Release history it reads "In 1992 the EP version of Magical Mystery Tour was reissued in both mono and stereo as part of a box set containing CD versions of the Beatles original UK EPs. The album (along with the Beatles' entire UK studio album catalogue) was remastered and reissued on CD in 2009. Acknowledging the album's conception and first release, the CD incorporates the original Capitol LP label design." None of this has a citation and I don't have this set so I can't check it, but the Beatles' original concept was the double EP set (which was changed by Capitol for the US market) and here it says that all disks use the same label style and shows the UK Parlophone label. Is this different in the US release or do they perhaps use the Capitol label for the stereo version that's included in the set? Richerman (talk) 22:51, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

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Release History

On the original American Capitol Records LP, why were the last three songs released in duphonic false stereo? Did Capitol not have access to the stereo versions, or did they not exist in stereo format at all? I thought those singles were released in stereo, though I could be mistaken. When the LP version was released in the UK in 1976, why didn't they have access to true stereo versions, since by then a German true-stereo LP had been released around 1971? How were the Germans able to access and create true stereo versions of those songs in the first place?

I feel this isn't really addressed and should be clarified. 73.194.85.220 (talk) 11:21, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

In the "Release History" section of the article itself, it does state, "In 1969 and 1971, the previously unavailable true-stereo mixes were created"; so they hadn't existed when Capitol released the LP in 1967. Singles were released in MONO in those days; this did not change until "Get Back"/"Don't Let Me Down" was released in stereo in the U.S. in 1969, and all subsequent Beatles singles were issued thuswise in both the U.S. and UK (except for the song "You Know My Name"). For the most part, earlier mono singles continued to be pressed that way into at least the 1980s -- there were some exceptions to this in the U.S. As for "delayed" stereo mixing of MMT tracks, "All You Need Is Love" certainly got stereofied for the 1969 release of the Yellow Submarine LP; it's likely that "Penny Lane" and "Baby You're a Rich Man" didn't get that treatment until 1971. Probably someone at German EMI/Odeon contacted EMI in the UK and said, "Hey, dummkopfs! How 'bout die Penny Lanen und Baby You're Ein Reich Mann stereo mixen already, ja? Mach schnell!" Why the 1976 UK LP release didn't go all-stereo remains a good question that probably nobody wants to 'fess up to. 2601:545:8202:4EA5:0:0:0:27FD (talk) 22:07, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Mono vs. stereo

There appears to be some confusion over the EP and album's mono and stereo versions of each song. According to Lewisohn page 131, all the true stereo mixes were only created from 1969 up until 1971, making the 1971 West-German release the first true stereo release of the songs, and which also means that all true-stereo EP releases must be re-releases from the 70s and 80s. However, Blue Jay Way, I Am the Walrus and Hello, Goodbye make mentions of stereo versions created during the initial recording sessions for the EP in 1967, so I'd wager that those actually refer to the fake stereo versions released on the US album.

Who knows, maybe some real stereo versions floated about as radio broadcast material prior to the 1971 West-German release? In any case, it seems none were commercially available to the public where you could just walk in a record store and demand a real stereo version up until 1971. AFAIK, singles and EPs generally weren't even released to the public in stereo up until the 1970s anyway (also note last post saying the same in this talkpage's prior section). Strawberry Fields Forever makes a peculiar reference to a faulty December 1966 (mono? stereo?) mix (or faulty take?) which at some unnamed time appeared on stereo releases up until the 1987 CD releases, so could it be that things are different between the EP songs and the singles Capitol added to the US album? In any case, Penny Lane and Baby, You're a Rich Man clearly state that no true stereo mix of both songs existed prior to 1971.

So in order to clear up this confusion due to the EP and album's complex production and release history, I'd suggest that every MMT track's own article should mention the date of the final mix for mono version, fake electronic stereo version, and true stereo version, and when each version was originally released to the public. --2003:71:4F76:852:BC40:458B:2969:6132 (talk) 22:36, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Release history section - Second Paragraph

When standardising the Beatles' releases for the worldwide compact disc release in 1987, EMI used the US LP version of Magical Mystery Tour (in true stereo) in what was otherwise a British album line-up.

I'm confused about what this means. The original US LP was fake-stereo. The first true-stereo was a German version that used the US LP album lineup. There was never an original "British album line-up" as Magical Mystery Tour had prior-to never been released as a British album. Yes, a copy of the US LP version from Capitol was released by EMI in 1976, but it was simply a COPY.

In reality, the 1987 CD followed the US LP lineup but included the songs in true stereo. I may make a change if no one else addresses this. 71.226.227.121 (talk) 16:06, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

US release date

We might need to investigate this. Many sources appear to give 27 November 1967 as the release date for the Capitol LP, which surprised me when I came across a Billboard article in the issue dated 25 November (page 6) announcing that the LP was due in "mid-December". Castleman & Podrazik's book All Together Now: The First Complete Beatles Discography gives the release as 27 November but, in the extensive charts tables they provide, MMT doesn't enter the Billboard Top LPs chart for another four weeks – number 157 on 23 December (then number 4 on 30 Dec; number 1 on 6 January). Can't help wondering whether this situation is similar to The Dark Side of the Moon, where almost every Floyd biography/discography gave a release date that was clearly incorrect – in that example, because the album was on the charts sometime before the official release date. Given that MMT set a record for the highest initial sales of any Capitol LP up to that point, it's surprising (to me) that the album didn't register on Billboard for almost a month. Does anyone have more information about this – perhaps the situation isn't that unusual after all, and, back then, records did take a while to chart ...? JG66 (talk) 03:50, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

It Should be The US LP at the top.

The US LP was officially added to their Collection in 1987 and it should get be on top, Rather than by country in this Case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.112.141.200 (talk) 15:37, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

I don't agree with that. It's the record in its original form that counts in an article's infobox. The Beatles intended it as a double EP, as the text explains. They had to compromise for Capitol and the US market and, yes, it was the LP version that was then adopted 20 years later with the international standardisation of the band's catalogue. But that 1987 revision doesn't get around the fact that as an English act signed to a British record company, they planned and released the record (in Britain and most other countries) as a double EP. JG66 (talk) 17:14, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Magical mystery tour

Shouldn’t it say recorded 29 November 1966-7 November 1967 to include all the singles released on the album Julian giangrande (talk) 08:52, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

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Whether to include separate track listing for 2009 remastered CD

Bringing the following here from my talk page ... [Will reply when I get a chance, although others should feel free to weigh in, which is the reason I've moved the discussion.] JG66 (talk) 07:54, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

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Magical Mystery Tour - CD (remastered, 2009)

Hello, you reverted my contribution of the track listing and track times for a remastered, enhanced release of the aforementioned Beatles album. AFAIK, this album was basically released in mono, with some 'experimental stereo' on a few tracks? Some later releases added with synthetic stereo.

This album is, apparently remastered from scratch from a clean A/D conversion and digitally reprocessed in "enhanced" stereo. Cite:

• Magical Mystery Tour, TheBeatles.com
• The Beatles | 2009 Remasters – CD Review, VintageRock.com
• The Beatles – Magical Mystery Tour, Discogs
• The Beatles – Magical Mystery Tour, Discogs
• The Beatles – Magical Mystery Tour, Discogs
• The Beatles – Magical Mystery Tour, Discogs
• ...

Incidentally, I forgot to mention that this release includes a video of the making of the movie of the same name (03:35 '.mov' file).

I realize that the order of the tracks follows the same order of the tracks on the LP (side 1 & side 2), but this has a much improved audio quality. I suppose that if the order was different, then my contribution would have stayed? Perhaps, a little editorial preamble would have made the cut?
Enquire (talk) 07:16, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

As I said in my revert, there's no point including a new track listing when the reader sees no change from the previous one(s). But the inclusion of a video (now that you mention it) is a difference, obviously.

The section titled "Release history" mentions this video, with a tag requesting a source. Discogs is user-generated, so not reliable; there's nothing usable at the Beatles.com page (just a link to the video); not sure about Vintage Rock in terms of reliability, but at least it does discuss the 2009 remaster. I'm sure there could well be some good coverage out there in reliable sources. I might take a look at some of the things I have. JG66 (talk) 14:38, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

I've added a partial 2009 track listing, mentioning only the video. JG66 (talk) 15:06, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

• I don't think the inclusion is an improvement. I believe these sorts of super-specifics are better suited for Discogs. It's not notable enough to warrant its own subsection and track list template. ili (talk) 03:42, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

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Clarification needed (fairly minor)

In the 1st para. of the Production techniques and sounds subsection, it reads "...that Lennon sought for the piece." Which piece? A track? The film? The EP? The album? The word seems inappropriate here, but I don't know what it refers to, so I can't suggest a change. Boscaswell talk 11:48, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Certifications section

1. Where it says "Sales certifications for Magical Mystery Tour", if it means the album, shouldn't that be made clear?

2. It looks like the figures in the table refer to different time periods? But there's no mention of about this. Boscaswell talk 12:12, 24 August 2021 (UTC)