Talk:Magic Alex/GA1

GA Review

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Starting GA review. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:05, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Quick fail criteria assessment

1. The article completely lacks reliable sources – see Wikipedia:Verifiability.

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2. The topic is treated in an obviously non-neutral way – see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view.

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3. There are cleanup banners that are obviously still valid, including cleanup, wikify, NPOV, unreferenced or large numbers of fact, clarifyme, or similar tags.

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4. The article is or has been the subject of ongoing or recent, unresolved edit wars.

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5. The article specifically concerns a rapidly unfolding current event with a definite endpoint.

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No problems checking quick fail criteria, move to substantive review. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:16, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Checking against GA criteria

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose):

   • The article is reasonably well written

   b (MoS):

   *The heading A Greek island, a boutique, and marriage is more suitable for a tabloid than an encyclopaedia - can you think of something else?

 Done Done.--andreasegde (talk) 10:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

1. 'In popular culture; this sort of trivia section is deprecated in Wikipedia. The citation for John Simms' band is not supported by the reference.  Done

Gone--andreasegde (talk) 10:39, 10 July 2009 (UTC).

1. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references):

   • 4 deadlinks found using this tool.

Ref #3 says nothing about Brian Jones. OK

Actually it does: "kinetic light sculptures at the Indica Gallery in London - one of which was bought by the Rolling Stones and used by the band on stage. Guitarist Brian Jones introduced him to Lennon, who became fascinated by his gadgets." --andreasegde (talk) 10:43, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

ref #3 (formerly 4) says nothing about the Dunbar or the Rolling Stones.

It says, "Alex Mardas was a Greek TV repairman", which is following Dunbar's quote.--andreasegde (talk) 10:47, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Indeed but it does not support Dunbar later said: "He was quite cunning in the way he pitched his thing. He knew enough to know how to wind people up and to what extent. He was a fucking TV repairman: Yanni Mardas, none of this 'Magic Alex' shit!". Jezhotwells (talk) 13:42, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

ref #39 does not actually support the cited statement. OK

Again, it does: "During the 1990s both Harrison and Mr. McCartney were suitably convinced of the maharishi’s innocence that they reconciled with him and offered apologies," and "Mr. Mardas has never commented on the incident."--andreasegde (talk) 10:52, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

ref #44 is a book review you may cite the book, with page numbers as appropriate, but not the review.

I have taken out the reference, but a book review by a journalist is a good reference, in my opinion--andreasegde (talk) 10:57, 10 July 2009 (UTC).

You misunderstand. You may cite a review as in X (reviewer) states that this is the best book on Y since Z, but you may not cite the review as This Book by Y states that Z is a murderer. That type of cite must come form the book. Jezhotwells (talk) 13:42, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

1. b (citations to reliable sources):

Ref #1 is to ablog, thus not allowable.

Gone.--andreasegde (talk) 11:04, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

ref #7.

I have sourced the reference from the book.--andreasegde (talk) 11:19, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

ref #11 is a geocities site - not allowable;

Gone.--andreasegde (talk) 11:31, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

ref #12 is a fan site;

"The Beatles' Bible" has gone.--andreasegde (talk) 11:42, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

ref #21 is a fan site;

"I am The Beatles" has gone.--andreasegde (talk) 11:42, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

ref #26 is a blog; "dmbeatles.com" has gone.--andreasegde (talk) 11:42, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

ref #28 is a fan site;

Gone.--andreasegde (talk) 11:59, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

ref #40 is the personal site of an author can you find this interview elsewhere?;

I don't see what is wrong with citing an author and journalist, even if it is on his own page. In fact, I think that lends it more credence. I replaced it, nonetheless.--andreasegde (talk) 11:59, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

No, please read WP:RS SPS (self published sourecs) are unreliable.Jezhotwells (talk) 13:46, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I have deleted the fan sites. As the numbers of the refs are changing as I delete them, it would be good to know the name of the blog/fan page you are complaining about.--andreasegde (talk) 12:01, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

[http://www.trancenet.net/personal/dolan/midnight.shtml; blog / fan pages. Jezhotwells (talk) 13:46, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

trancenet has gone.--andreasegde (talk) 23:14, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I am having a problem with the ref, "The Beatles, the Maharishi and me" - The Sunday Times. The link works every time I click on it, but it keeps showing up as a dead link on the checker tool.--andreasegde (talk) 12:56, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

[1] wotrks fine for me. Jezhotwells (talk) 13:46, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

OK.--andreasegde (talk) 23:05, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

 Done

1. c (OR):

2. It is broad in its scope.

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   b (focused):

3. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

4. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

5. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):

   b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

6. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   • OK, on hold for seven days for the above concerns to be met. Jezhotwells (talk) 21:09, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

    Done

I know it's a little bit complicated for us both, but could you list any further complaints? I will work on them. --andreasegde (talk) 23:11, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

OK you need a cite for Dunbar later said: "He was quite cunning in the way he pitched his thing. He knew enough to know how to wind people up and to what extent. He was a fucking TV repairman: Yanni Mardas, none of this 'Magic Alex' shit!" or delete that statement. You need a cite for In 1987, Mardas was a managing director of Alcom Ltd, at Abbey House, 299A Edgware Road, London. The company specialised in Electronic Communications and Security Systems, but never dealt directly with the public; preferring to work with Government Authorities. Mardas employed Arthur Johnson (known as Johnny Johnson), a former M.O.D. official, on a sales commission basis. or delete that para. That's it I have made a couple of copy-edits and deleted the ref to the writer's blog which was already covered by another ref. BTW, they are not complaints, they are comments on assessment against good article criteria. Jezhotwells (talk) 01:11, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

OK, I'll look for another ref, or delete.--andreasegde (talk) 09:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Done it.--andreasegde (talk) 16:05, 11 July 2009 (UTC)