Talk:MacGillycuddy's Reeks/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 00:00, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Criteria

1. Prose ✓ Pass

2. Verifiability ✓ Pass

3. Depth of Coverage ✓ Pass

4. Neutral ✓ Pass

5. Stable ✓ Pass

6. Illustrations ✓ Pass

7. Miscellaneous ✓ Pass

Comments

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• Eagle's Nest, Kerry is a piped link in the lead, but it just redirects to the top of Carrauntoohil, which is linked in the preceeding sentence. This makes the Eagle's Nest essentially a duplink, and since the Eagle's Nest is discussed later in the article, I don't think it needs the link. It's one thing to link to a specific section in the other article, like Coomloughra Horseshoe does, though. Done
• This is a bit picky but you state "over 1,000 metres" when one of the three isn't technically over 1,000 metres. Done - good spot
• "as Old Red Sandstone" - I believe it should be the Old Red Sandstone, since it's the official name of a geologic formation.  Done
• "Cork and Kerry" - link to the exact geographic points. For instance, is it a reference to the city of Cork or County Cork?  Done
• "The composition of Old Red Sandstone is variable and contains quartz stones, mudstones, siltstones, and sandstone particles (boulders of conglomerate rock containing quartz pebbles are visible throughout the range)" - Wikilink the various types of rocks where applicable.  Done
• "peaks with prominence over 15 m" - Is prominence a specific term? If so, can it be linked?  Done - have linked to topographical prominence
• "for a Munro" - It's unclear what a Munro is. Done
• Irish language is linked twice in the same sentence. – I think this is how that template works, it gives a link every time you use it (or, should I only use the template once)?
  • If it's courtesy of the template, that's fine. Better to have the template and duplinks than no template and no duplinks
• Is Kilgobnet the Kilgobnet where the MacGillycuddy tomb is? If so, it should be linked. – it is a different town, there is as yet not a WP article on Kilbognet, Kerry
• Link Killorglin.  Done
• The Devil's Ladder is linked multiple times, as is Coomloughra Horseshoe.  Done
• Kate Kearney's Cottage links to Gap of Dunloe, which is linked in the same sentence. Only one of these is needed, and the regular link to the gap is probably the better choice. Done
• A number of the distances in the Hill walking section need the conversion template to American units.  Done
• "The 450–metre V–Diff," - What is V-Diff?.  Done - added WP link
• "The following is a download from the MountainViews Online Database, who list 29 identifiable Reeks with an elevation, or height, above 100 metres" - Drop the whole download thing and just state the figures and cite it. It'll need an inline citation either way. – Shouldn't I keep this line to explain the table? For example, there are smaller peaks below 100 metres in the range that are not included in this list? I can then attach the in-line citation to this sentance?
  • Just the inline would be acceptable.

2.

• The table needs an inline citation, you can place one directly after the "Peaks of the MacGillycuddy's Reeks (MountainViews Online Database, October 2018)". Done – Per just above, can I keep the existing sentence and attach the inline citation there.
  • Yes, just add the inline
• What's the licensing on the table? Is is a form of CC that can be used for a download? - Yes, the MountainViews (and it's source, the Database of British and Irish Hills), have an open licence DoBIH at C.C 4.0
• Alphabetize the bibliography.  Done
• Reference formatting is a little off. The author names should either all be in the First Last format or the Last, First format. Done
• If Kelly is the first name, then "Piaras Kelly" needs a comma.  Done – switched to last/first format.
• Since full citations are provided in the references section, I don't think the bibliography is needed as a sources section. It can be made a further reading-esque section, which would need to bump it up to a section three header and omit the works already used as references. – I have used this format as it appears in other Irish peak articles (e.g. Ben Lugmore), do you think it would be okay to keep it?
  • Well, with one catch: Depends on how you arrange the books requiring page numbers. If you use the sfn template or such to produce citations such as "Smith (1980), p. 1", then you'll need to divide it into the bibliography and the further reading. If you use full citations for each appearance, then you can keep as is.
• The books cited need page numbers. – some of the book references come from different parts of the books, can I quote a broad range (or just the chapter), or do I need individual refs for each page?
  • Page ranges are perfectly acceptable. If the entire chapter is being cited you can just use the chapter, but if only a part of the chapter is cited, you're better off using page numbers.
    •  Done Used the chapter as they use many parts of the relevant chapters.
• I don't think the Irish Climbing Wiki is a reliable source, if it's user-generated it can't be used as an inline citation. – The Irish climbing Wiki is probably the best and most used source in Ireland for rock climbing information, however, I can support with a book source but would like to leave the Irish Wiki there as a help to readers.
  • How about an external link? High-quality wikis can be external links I've learned, but WP:RS still excludes anything user-generated from being used as an inline.
    •  Done
• A spot check comes up good - All information supported by claimed citations, and all refs checked working. thanks.

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• Just out of curiosity, what does "Topo map OSI Discovery 78" in the infobox indicate? – Topo Map is short for "Topographical map", and "OSI Discovery 78", is map number 78 from the Ordnance Survey Ireland "Discovery" series of maps, which is here on Amazon.

Placing on hold. Hog Farm (talk) 02:30, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

• • @Britishfinance:- I've responded to all of your questions. Hog Farm (talk) 15:16, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Comments

Many thanks for this. Just updating these comments now, still working on it, so will ping when I am done. Britishfinance (talk) 12:46, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Hog Farm, thanks again for this. I think I have answered most of the questions above. My main question is about page numbers in books as some of the refs cover a range of pages (or whole chapter); do I need separate refs for each page quoted? Thanks again for all your help with this. Britishfinance (talk) 13:23, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

• Hog Farm, thank you for that - I think I have addressed those points (removed the External Wiki link to EL, and quoted the Chapter / Page numbers as appropriate). Look forward to hearing from you. Britishfinance (talk) 20:45, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

• Looks good now, passing. Hog Farm (talk) 20:52, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for that Hog Farm - appreciated :) 20:54, 10 April 2020 (UTC)