Talk:MARPAT/Archive 1

Desert MARPAT image

Is that a MARPAT swatch or a CADPAT one? MARPAT doesn't have a shade of gray in it does it? Rmt2m 23:55, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

The pictured swatch is a trial version of MARPAT desert, which did have elements of grey, unlike the current version which is just shades of tan.

Incidentally, although CADPAT did have a trial version in four colors, current CADPAT is quite easily distinguished from MARPAT, as it has much larger pattern elements and only uses three colors. 128.123.86.88 22:58, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I have included a link at the links in the bottom. It has a good close-up example image of the MARPAT pattern. I'd upload it, but I'm not quite sure how.7hobo 17:00, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Debate over who started the digital pattern thing first, USMC or Canada?

Erm, cleanup, isle six? --86.20.157.172 00:38, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

http://www.hyperstealth.com/CADPAT-MARPAT.htm This may not be at all credible, but, I found this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.116.26 (talk) 21:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Please delete this section in thread brings NOTHING to the discussion besides furthering the owner of Hyperstealths agenda. I work in the community and "Hyperstealth" is synonymous with "Airsawft NINJAHZ." If not the at least insert the Dual tex (US DOD dual texture program) to put this thing to rest. PS: At no time did the Gunny that spearheaded the MARPAT program ever Lay eyes on a Canadian, perform a "CO-LAB-OH" (Yes that is a sarcastic rap reference) with the Canadian defense forces nor did he EVER go to them for guidance. All that was give to Gunny was a TEST SWATCH of the CADPAT pattern for testing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.235.222.164 (talk) 03:24, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

We don't delete talk page discussion; everything is kept as an archive. Given how old this section is, it's not worth arguing the point again because the article is much changed from the state it was in in 2007. bahamut0013^words_deeds 12:55, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

It's pretty much accepted that the Canadian version was out first; the US borrowed the idea and changed it enough to make it their own. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.61.115.201 (talk) 18:59, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Effectiveness?

MARPAT woodland seems much more effective than the ARMY's ACU in temperate climates. Can't believe the ARMY opted for a universal pattern, and that they argued that "black is not a naturally occurring color". Have any tests been conducted between the two patterns? Antarctica moon (talk) 07:22, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

My Opinion. A "Universal" camo is totally flawed.Their is no way your going to make a effective all terrain/season camo.Its possible to make a regional camo (Ex: all the terrains in the middle east) but would be difficult.Taking off black completely is a mistake.Black is highly disruptive color.Now putting too much black is a mistake.That is why i dont like woodland BDUs.Having too much black will cause the person to stick out in the enviroment color wise but not disruption.The brain first has to detect a abnormality in the environment (this is where the usage of colors come in) and then the brain will look for something to match it with(this is where disruption comes in).I think all camo should have some black in it but in small amounts except for desert camo.(Steve4529 (talk) 15:11, 6 June 2010 (UTC))

Well, its hard to say. MARPAT started earlier than ACU, so its older style camo - divided to woodland and desert. It probably works better in special enviroments, but I think ACU is really good for fighting in the cities and also in the grassland areas, which can be found all over the Middle East. --Novis-M (talk) 03:44, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

That's a negative, Novis. Lots of people talk all kinds of shop on wikipedia, but about the only places ACU looks at home are marshes and dying grass. The desert MARPAT is actually pretty effective anywhere you go, considering how well you can make the thick material hold a saturation of dirt, mud, and grass stains. Rapid, easy-to-implement specialization trumps the hell out of one bland greyish-green color that provides barely-adequate camofluage in a tiny minority of locations. I think a big reason the ACUs were cooked up in the first place - and hurried through development, testing, and implementation - was so that the Army could play "catch up" to the Marine Corps. Not publicized, and certainly no official stamp on such a reason, but anyone who has served in either the Army or Marine Corps knows the kind of rivalry that exists in even in upper-echelon brass. Griever0311 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.80.120.183 (talk) 19:38, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Long story short, both the Corps and Army had been working with digital patterns since the 80's. The Corps and Army used the CURRENT digital pattern way to combat IR signatures when wet IE a sweating Marine/Soldier or one who had been out in the rain. Now the Army just went cheap and decided upon a UCP Vs fielding two or more uniforms for specialized use. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.235.222.120 (talk) 10:10, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Fractals?

I couldn't see fractals mentioned anywhere in the link provided about the patent and its inspiration - am I missing something? 59.167.59.144 (talk)Dave —Preceding comment was added at 12:34, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Armor?

Do they make armor in MARPAT patterns? Any picture i've seen of Marines wearing MARPAT, their armor is always Coytoe Brown or Olive Drab. Is there an particular reason they don't make it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.13.129 (talk) 16:44, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Probably because most of the OTVs had been bought already, and the Corps doesn't see much point in buying them all over again. bahamut0013♠♣ 20:40, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

The OTV are Coyote Brown because they match both MARPAT patterns. Before the digis, woodland OTVs were issued. Mbarry829 (talk) 14:53, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Urban

I do know that an urban pattern existed in trials and was killed long before MARPAT was finalized in 2003. However, I can't find any reliable sources anymore. Googling "Urban MARPAT" gets you mostly links to stores selling MARPAT knockoffs and forums where people confuse MARPAT and ACU. Can anyone find anything we can cite? bahamut0013♠♣ 20:40, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

The pattern you are looking for is: SUBDUED DIGITAL URBAN or just DIGITAL URBAN. DO NOT confuse this pattern with the pattern used for the Navy Working Uniform. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.235.222.164 (talk) 03:25, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Trademark

A trademark search at USPTO.GOV shows that there no mark has been registered for 'MARPAT' for camo pattern. MARPAT has only been registered as a mark for chemistry software, back in 1990. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.174.120.31 (talk) 12:29, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Issue date

The article states that the Marine Corps started issuing this pattern of camouflage in "late 2003." I was in the first company at Parris Island to be issued the new camo and boots. That was June 2002. I was in India Company, 3rd Recruit Training Batallion. I don't know where the author of this article got that info, but I do believe it is wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.162.184.77 (talk) 03:29, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Also, the Iraq war started in March of 2003 with "Shock and Awe." Some Marines had already been issued the new camo, and some had not. The Kevlar covers, I cannot be too sure about, for I was not deployed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.162.184.77 (talk) 03:35, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I changed that line, I got my first set in May 2002 issued from Cash Sales in Okinawa. The Marine Corps Combat Utility Uniform article

described the wear testing and issue more accurately. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marine79 (talk • contribs) 11:42, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Republic of Georgia

I know for a fact that the Georgian MARPAT has the eagle, Globe, and Anchor, ive seen it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by A6m7zeke (talk • contribs) 05:03, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Marpat in OIF 2

"MARPAT uniforms were issued in late 2003, but matching helmet covers were issued only later at the beginning of the 2003 Iraq War."

There are a couple photos out there that show that some marine units used the full Marpat, not just the helmet cover from the very beginning of the war. 67.83.23.117 (talk) 14:02, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I changed this line with a line from the MCCUU wiki. It states the field testing, initial release and final cutoff date. I personally got my MARPAT cammies in May 2002 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marine79 (talk • contribs) 11:36, 15 January 2010 (UTC)