Talk:M1 (İzmir Metro)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: GeneralPoxter (talk · contribs) 14:49, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Review

Lead section/infobox

• Lead could be expanded a bit – for example, summarize construction history since a majority of the article's prose is devoted to that.
• Infobox needs refs for stats not cited in the article body (i.e. Native name, Rolling stock wagon counts broken down by wagon type, Number of tracks, gauges, operating speed)
  • @GeneralPoxter: I think I have cited most of the stats other than native name and number of tracks. I don't think those two needs to be cited, as per WP:SKYISBLUE. This can be counted as done, I think.Ahmetlii (talk) 20:07, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

1 Construction

• Could use WP:CITETRIM for "The Nenehatun (named after Nene Hatun) and Ümmühan Ana (named after the mother of Süleyman Demirel) tunnels were constructed."
• I removed the "which" in "The contractor[which?] resumed work in February 2010" (I don't think it's a weasel word, and the metro source themselves don't even specify who the contractors are; the vagueness is okay here since the work needed to find every contractor company's name is likely not worth the trouble for most readers)
• "A new tender was issued in October 2009 to finish the remaining work. However, that tender was cancelled by the Public Procurement Authority." needs a ref -  Done, cited.Ahmetlii (talk) 08:54, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
  
• "According to the plans, the line will be extended to Bornova district in the east and Güzelbahçe in the west...": "According to the plans" sounds a bit vague here (whose plans?). Ditto for "According to the plans, this 13.6 km (8.5 mi) extension will have another 11 stations."
  
• Lead says the extension is to Narlıdere, but here it says "7.2 km (4.5 mi) long Fahrettin Altay–Kaymakamlık extension". Reading the list of stations planned for the extension seems as if Kaymakamlık, not Narlıdere, is the terminus of the extension.
  • @GeneralPoxter Correct, Kaymakamlık station is the terminus at the extension, but the extension is entirely inside the borders of Narlıdere district (and therefore the extension is also referred as Narlıdere metro or Fahrettin Altay-Narlıdere extension - see [1] [2] [3]) However, to clarify the intention, I stated "to Narlıdere district" on the lead. Ahmetlii (talk) 10:48, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
    • Okay but this is still not clear from the article, since nowhere is it mentioned that Kaymakamlık is within Narlıdere. I still recommend changing "Narlıdere district" to "Kaymakamlık station". GeneralPoxter (talk • contribs) 12:23, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
      •  Partly done, replaced the district with station.Ahmetlii (talk) 19:27, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
        • @GeneralPoxter I have reworded the sentences as "The line is planned to be extended to Bornova district in the east and Güzelbahçe in the west with further extensions planned for the future" and "... This 13.6 km (8.5 mi) extension is planned to have another 11 stations.". I think further detailing that would be unnecessary, as it's just a plan titled as "Transportation Master Plan" made by the owner (Metropolitan Municipality) and wouldn't worth trouble for the readers.
          • Looks good. GeneralPoxter (talk • contribs) 20:31, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
• Could use WP:CITETRIM for "at a cost of ₺1.027 billion"
• "There are seven stations planned for the extension: Balçova, Çağdaş, Dokuz Eylül Üniversitesi Hastane, Güzel Sanatlar Fakültesi, Narlıdere, Siteler, and Kaymakamlık." needs a ref -  Done, cited Ahmetlii (talk) 05:50, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
• There is frequent use of the term "tender" (which I assume is equivalent to either "contract bid" or "contract offer"?) in this passage, which I am unfamiliar with. The google translation of most of the Turkish Izmir metro webpage sources appears to use the term "tender" as well for "ihale". I just wanted to confirm that "tender" is the common English term when discussing construction contracts, and if so, I suggest there be a relevant internal link for it.
• I do have concerns over the article length's emphasis on construction history over other aspects like stations, non-construction events, fare, etc., especially since some parts go into what is possibly unnecessary detail regarding tender awards and cancellations. This could be fixed by summarizing/trimming down construction history a bit and/or expanding other sections, but I don't think anything drastic needs to be done.
  • @GeneralPoxter I have detailed stations section and expanded the lead, while adding the accidents section. Ahmetlii (talk) 12:18, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
    • I do see all of the expansions above, except for an "accidents" section? I would also recommend some trimming of the Construction section at your discretion. GeneralPoxter (talk • contribs) 17:14, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

      Oops, looks like I forgot to save my edit. It's added now. Ahmetlii (talk) 12:45, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

      • Okay, looks good. GeneralPoxter (talk • contribs) 17:58, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

2 Stations

• Citations/sources need to be clarified either outside or in the graph, especially for commencement dates and line transfers.
  •  Done I have sourced line transfers for bus, other transfers are linked to the relevant article as far as I've seen. About commencement dates, it's already clarified outside of the table.Ahmetlii (talk) 20:27, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
    • Not done yet; commencement dates and building types could still use refs. GeneralPoxter (talk • contribs) 20:29, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

      @GeneralPoxter Hello, I've also referenced building types and commencement dates in the table. Ahmetlii (talk) 11:25, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

      • Looks good now. GeneralPoxter (talk • contribs) 17:15, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

3 Trains

• In the infobox, rolling stock is broken down by ABB, CSR, CNR, and CRRC wagons. This could be discussed here as well.
  • @GeneralPoxter I think the main issue is solved, there's no need to detail wagons as it's just the name of wagons. Ahmetlii (talk) 17:23, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
    • Okay, just take a look at the one remaining item point, and this article should be ready for promotion. GeneralPoxter (talk • contribs) 17:29, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Overall, an interesting read, since I hope to visit İzmir one day. Some citations need to be clarified/added, but besides that, the article appears well-written, well-researched, neutral, stable, and illustrated. I am putting this article on hold until July 8. GeneralPoxter (talk • contribs) 16:24, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@GeneralPoxter hello, I've linked "tender" to "procurement", tender is a common use in English for processes inside procurement according to the page I linked before on this comment and Tender (disambiguation). Ahmetlii (talk) 08:36, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Okay Ahmetlii, a week has gone and passed, and not all of my points have been addressed yet. Please let me know within the next 24 hours if you need an extension; else I will have to fail the review. GeneralPoxter (talk • contribs) 22:12, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

@GeneralPoxter I need an extension for the deadline. Ahmetlii (talk) 10:58, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

No worries, I'll extend until July 12 if that's fine with you. GeneralPoxter (talk • contribs) 17:11, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@GeneralPoxter Hello, I think I've addressed all of the issues above. Ahmetlii (talk) 17:27, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Great job on improvement Ahmetlii, promoting now. GeneralPoxter (talk • contribs) 17:53, 12 July 2021 (UTC)