Talk:Lynx/Archive 1

Archive 1

Vandalism

There was some vandalism in the first sentence I didn't read the rest of the article but it could be that there are more nonsensical phrases in the article.--Tomvasseur (talk) 12:59, 31 December 2009 (UTC) A lynx could eat snowshoe hares,mice,voles,grouse,ptarmigans,red squirrels,carrion,foe dears,rabbits,hares,red deer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.66.79.185 (talk) 23:56, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Classification

The classification of the lynx lineage is contradictory to the classification in Felidae. There the genus Lynx and Pardofelis belongs to Pantherinae. That classification is used by Smithsonian and ITIS. We should use one classification scheme IMO, and not many inconsistent schemes. -- Cordyph 13:14 17 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I agree, Cordyph. From my bird work, I have learned to regard ITIS classifications with deep suspicion. The Smithsnian, however, is another matter entirely. Is their list recent? I'll slip over and have a look at it in a moment. Or, if you prefer, I'm happy to go with whatever classification scheme you like, as although we might want to revise it one day, it's doubtless more important to spend the bulk of our time filling in the vast empty gaps on the pedia, rather than buggerising about splitting hairs. I'll precis my source in a moment (which is pretty up-to-date with all the DNA work), then take a look at the Smithsonian list (wish their server wasn't so slow). Tannin

Hi Tannin - I didn't mean to say, that my classification scheme is "better" than yours. So I would not mind if it is changed, but it would mean to change the Felidae classification as well. The Smithsonian classification is of 1993; it lists Pardofelis as member of Pantherinae, while older classifications list the marble cat as member of the genus Felis. But may be, that this has changed in the meantime again. -- Cordyph 13:29 17 Jul 2003 (UTC)

No problem, Cordyph. Essentially, as I read the situation, it is all rather confused at present! (This DNA stuff is a two-edged sword!) It does look as though a revised cat family tree is taking shape, but whether we should adopt it yet is another question. I am all in favour of using the best and most recent information we can get. (This is a real advantage of the 'pedia - we don't have to stand or fall by an in-print publication date, we can update as often as we like.) However, we should aim to reflect the leading edge of reasarch, not try to predict it. So I guess that the best thing to do is thrash the classification around here in the talk pages and if it comes clear, then we can use it, and if it winds up staying confused, then that will be pretty good evidence that the new scheme is not yet ripe and that we should stay with the 1993 version for a year or two longer - in which case one of us can adjust the Lynx listing to fit with in with the 1993 list. (Go right ahead if you want to do that now, by the way.)

Here is what my New Encyclopedia of Mammals (Oxford, 2001) has to say (mixing their words and my paraphrasing):

"Mitochondrial and nuclear DNA analysis have also clarified felid taxonomy at the subfamily level. The gene comparisons cluster the species into three major subfamilies:"

• the Ocelot lineage, 7 species: Ocelot, Tiger Cat, Margay Cat, Mountain Cat, Kodkod, Geoffroy's Cat, Pampas Cat.
• The Domestic Cat lineage, 7 species: Jungle Cat, Pallas's Cat, Sand Cat, Black-footed Cat, Wild Cat, Chinese Desert Cat.
• The pantherine lineage, 23 species

The pantherine group in turn breaks down into six monophyletic subgroups:

• Panthera genus: Lion, Tiger, Leopard, Jaguar, Snow Leopard
• Lynx group: Lynx, Canadian Lynx, Iberian Lynx, Bobcat, Marbled Cat
• Asian Leopard Cat group: Leopard Cat, Iriomote Cat, Flat-headed Cat, Fishing Cat
• Carcal group: Caracal, African Golden Cat
• Bay Cat group: Bay Cat, Asiatic Golden Cat
• Puma group: Puma, Jaguarundi, Cheetah (yes! interesting that they put the Cheetah there!)

They don't say where the miranda loves nick Clouded Leopard belongs, with the Panthera species, I guess.

They do say that the position of the Serval and the Rusty-spotted Cat is unclear, and don't try to assign them to any group yet.

I think I'll leave this sit here in talk for a while and go and do sometimg nice and relaxing, like a species account! Another cat? Or should I start on the monkeys? There are only 4680 mammal species, give or take a few - no shortage of work to do. Tony

That is really interesting, and I have never heard before of this classification scheme. I would suggest to mention it on the Felidae page, and to keep to the more traditional classification schemes in the species accounts. I mean, placing the cheetah in a group with the puma, that sounds almost as strange as placing a bird of prey into the Ciconiiformes ;-)

Exactly!

Or we follow the Dutch wikipedia and place all cats in the genus Felis (even the lion is Felis leo there) - although I think this is not done anymore since Linnaeus' times.

Have you actually read the Dutch Wikipedia? It says also Panthera leo for the lion! Pmaas 23:09, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

That's funny, when it comes to birds, the Dutch seem to be mad keen on splitting everything in sight.

As for the species accounts, I am not in the position to tell you what to do next. Do just what you like best. But if you absolutely don't know what to do: Yesterday I did a Canidae classification. From there you could make a species account using this photo: African Wild Dog.
I was a little bit confused by the name "Tony" under the last comment. Are you now signing with your real name? Anyhow, I may do the same for a change :) -- Mirko

Excuse me, Mirko, I was just musing aloud. And the sig, well, sometime I feel that a handle is a little impersonal. I was pondering making a start on the tenrecs, but it's late, and the African Wild Dogs sound easier - tenrecs are so diverse that writing them up will be hard work, and there is the matter of their proper classification to deal with: family or order?. Maybe I'll do tenrecs tommorow instead. Tannin

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( parking this here, at least for now)

There are three subfamilies within the family Felidae. Of these, the largest is the Pantherinae, which includes the lynxes and also the Lion, Tiger, Leopard, Jaguar, and many less well-known species.

Random, irrelevant comment

Just FYI, under the "Appearance" section there was a random comment that said "Save the Lynx! Only 700 in existance[sic]!" I deleted it since I don't think the number is correct (I'm not even sure that Lynx are endangered, at least worldwide...It might be a good idea for someone who knows more about Lynx than I do to make a section on the Lynx's status as a endangered/not endangered), it was irrelevant to the section heading (and had no other context), and misspelled.

What's the actual population!?? School projects suck if you can't find the information. :(

Possible added CATagory (no pun intended)

It seems many states allow Lynx as pets. Should this be mentioned? One interesting note is that North Dakota does not allow ownership of a 'canadian[sic] lynx' but does allow ownership of a 'russian lynx' in the state.--Bschott 18:39, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Lynx Management Plan for Croatia

Lynx Management Plan for Croatia; PDF document is available in English - http://www.dzzp.hr/publikacije/Lynx%20Management%20Plan.pdf

Habitat Is Very Confused

The HABITAT section is confused, moreso vs. the map.

"Though it can be found in the northern regions of Scandinavia, it is primarily found in North America and also in pockets in the Himalayas."

What about Siberia? And later Tibet isn't mentioned.

In the US is only only found, reintroduced, in Colorado? What's up with the map then. And was it reduced (if in any way so) to just Canada -- or Canada and Mexico when purportedly exterminated in the entire US?

The entire issue of historical, remaining-but-sparse, and substantial population areas needs to be organized and clarified, and coordinted with a new map. The map ideally distinguishes the different species, indicates areas of only sparse population today visually (dotted fill instead of solid?), and has larger outlines showing the (assumed) historical range.

As pets

I knew a lady who bred part lynx, part main coon pets. It would be great if someone could address this type of thing. - Peregrinefisher 20:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Correction

Umm, I found something about midland ranches, hay, eating dog and girls named Katie, I don't think that that is accurate, but don't know how to fix it, will you fix it, please, as it is unreliable, unsupported evidence. Thank You —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.217.124.251 (talk) 05:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC). At full size The Lynx weighs about 48 pounds. A Lynxs tail is shorter and stubbier than a Bobcats long tail. They are medium sized cats with long ear tufts and a short bobbed tail.In length they are about 3 feet long. I love cats! Banana

Colorado Re-Introduction

I added a couple lines about the 2007 shootings, included source, not sure if habitat is the proper section, but when I saw the Colo info I thought it might be relevant. Maybe a new section is needed about Human Intervention/Re-introduction programs? If you are an encyclopedia purist please be gentle, if you are lynx fan read the article. Cmaestas1 01:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be moved to Canadian lynx? Narayanese 08:57, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Missing species

I don't know much about wildcats, but I can at least count to four. There were only three species listed, despite the section starting with a declaration that there are four species. I added the Bobcat (Lynx rufus). 67.169.66.44 03:35, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Appearance

I wish I could include some references (from Wildlife Dept) beyond my own personal experience. I used to be a furrier and I've seen lynx pelts from all geographical locations (except perhaps Eurasian- though I'm sure their appearance is very similar to North American lynx and for the same reasons. I've seen Russian lynx pelts from Siberia and they're practically white-beige). --Dcrasno (talk) 18:09, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Size Matters

Can someone please add citeable info about the size of these cats in several dimensions? Weight, height, length would be appreciated. Stephen Charles Thompson (talk) 01:39, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Check the articles for each species. SRBirch922 (talk) 01:19, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Some of the data in the size table are less detailed than those in the articles for the individual species. Canada lynx has weight for both, rather than male and female; and Iberian lynx gives one weight, rather than a range. I would fix this, but I am not sure how to code the table. Also, text indicates bobcat is smallest, but weight ranges indicate bobcats are heavier than Canada lynx. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SRBirch922 (talk • contribs) 01:22, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Error in External Links (Lynx?)

Error in External Links at end of article:

Canada Lynx in the Southern Rockies

is no longer active.

RGB2 (talk) 05:49, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Balkanian Lynx

There is a population of more than 100 lynxes in Albania and the Republic of Macedonia. They are part of the sub-species of the Eurasian Lynx and are called balkanian lynx(Lynx lynx martinoi). Just a month ago a group consisting of 20-25 individs was sighted in the region of Martanesh, ear the border with Macedonia. I think that the Balkanian Lynx should have a mention here. 79.106.109.53 (talk) 14:49, 18 July 2009 (UTC) CItation needed part in wikipedia there is anoter part that says it is the national animal of romainia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.3.72.180 (talk) 17:18, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Supported strongly: There are at least 250 lynxes in Bulgaria. I am capable ranger and professional hunter, qualified zoologist and I've seen with my eyes that there are lynxes in Bulgaria. Regards: Elan Morin Tedronai (talk)

Lynx in Iran

Iran has many lynx. Why in this article map, Iran has been excluded?! In many mountainous regions of Iran, this animal exists. See: /Eurasian-lynx&usg=__sLlBovps5tgz4h_O4DbeRj10aT0=&h=116&w=250&sz=15&hl=fa&start=23&um=1&tbnid=x0-F3PaLtFEBSM:&tbnh=52&tbnw=111&prev=/images%3Fq%3DLynx%252Brange%252Bworld%252Basia%252Biran%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Dfa%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN%26start%3D20%26um%3D1+[1]+[2]+[3]. یوشیچی تویوهارا (talk) 19:11, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

maneaters?

Will they jump on hikers and eat them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.246.153.42 (talk) 13:09, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

They're relativly shy animals, who don't attack humans unless they've been feed and breed in captivity, then they might attack. At my granmother's old house, there were a few times tracks in the snow some hundred meters away from the house. Dunno if the human smell had disappeared so that's why they dared to go close the house, however, all i've heard of them is that they're very shy animals and would rather run from a kid then attack it.

I've never ever heard or read anywere of a lynx attacking a human, ever.

--109.58.202.164 (talk) 04:11, 15 July 2012 (UTC) There are some attacks, but maneater is extremely unlikely due to their small size. Editor abcdef (talk) 05:00, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Unable to edit 'what it does'

Can anyone please delete this section: "[edit] What it does

Kills everything. Just stay away. Not worth it."

It isn't showing up on the editor for the main Lynx page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.47.244.223 (talk) 12:33, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Appearance > Physical characteristics table

There must be something done with positioning of the physical characteristics table, because the above lynx image and infobox can sometimes conflict with the table. I've placed a clear before the table, but then it still leaves lots of white space before it and the text above. -Mardus (talk) 03:55, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2015

Someone vandalized the info pane so that the classification order is changed to "Big Booty Bitches" with a broken link. The page is locked, someone needs to fix this. 130.101.15.148 (talk) 19:05, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Big Booty Bitches is also listed as the Order in the Carnivora article taxobox. This appears to be vandalism to the Autoimatic Taxobox template but I can't figure out how to fix it. --Seduisant (talk) 19:30, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

This is the result of vandalism on the {{Taxonomy/Carnivora}} template which has since been reverted: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Taxonomy/Carnivora&diff=658988448&oldid=658978057 —Tim Pierce (talk) 19:42, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

 Done Purged the page and it has been fixed. See Special:Diff/658989226. --I am k6ka ^{Talk to me!} _{See what I have done} 19:43, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 September 2015

Please remove the '<br style="clear:both">' tag in the 'Appearance' section, as it currently causes a large amount of white-space on common monitor resolutions. Ripixel (talk) 14:16, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Done --I am k6ka ^{Talk to me!} _{See what I have done} 14:21, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

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Info about a Eurasian lynx as a motive of the coat of arms of Tavastia Proper.

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Wikiklaas removing my entry on lynx

Wikiklaas.You are really starting to annoy me.You have removed references to the animal being associated with the name of places and have decided to leave a name that is not officially known to the UN. What are you afraid of? Am i right about the name known in UN?If so,why have you not left it in?

Once again,I expect you to fix it yourself or i will take it further with wiki .

You have proven to be very disheartening to a new editor .

Regards, Veritylookingfortruth (talk) 14:30, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia policy is that the country in question be referred to as "the Republic of Macedonia", rather than using the "Former Yugoslav..." designation. The policy can be found here, and further discussion on the policy takes place here. Anaxial (talk) 20:29, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Apart from the naming convention (thanks Anaxial), there's two more things to be mentioned. One is that in the first part of this edit you did not add information about the animal, but you tried to introduce a political issue that has no place here. Two is that in the second part you introduced, under the heading "national animal", some toponyms that you claim were named for the lynx (I do not see any relevance of this for the lynx, nor for the subject "national animal") and for proof you added two strangely formed references to Wikipedia articles. One cannot use one Wikipedia article as a reference for a "fact" in another Wikipedia article. And apart from that, in Heraclea Lyncestis one reads: "The name Lynkestis originates from the name of the ancient kingdom, conquered by Philip, where the city was built", so not named for the lynx. And Lynkestis, "land of the lynx", was not really named for the lynx, but merely a descriptive term. I saw no reason why anything of this had to be kept.  Wikiklaas  14:13, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Pleistocene lynx discovered in Russia?

See this. Leo1pard (talk) 13:40, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

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Persian leopard removal?

Any particular reason why @BhagyaMani: and @SilverTiger12: have reverted my edits about the Persian leopard? It is a factual statement. Ddum5347 (talk) 02:01, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Because the Persian leopard's distribution does not, in fact, extend into Europe. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 04:30, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

As in so many other of your edits, you did not provide a source. But obviously just WP:OR -- BhagyaMani (talk) 08:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

I'll add a source then. Ddum5347 (talk) 20:49, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Bad choice of sources : none supports your statement. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 21:41, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes they do? These sources show that there are leopards in the border regions of Russia with Georgia & Azerbaijan. You could argue about original research, although I don't think it is OR to notice that a leopard is a predator found in Europe that weighs more than a lynx. Either way the statement that lynx is the 3rd largest in Europe is false and shouldn't be in the article unqualified. Somatochlora (talk) 15:59, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

You may have noticed that I removed the statement as the ref'ed website does not exist any longer. This comparison is anyway irrelevant, as THIS page is about the genus Lynx. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 16:15, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Exactly. When proven wrong, you just delete it altogether. Ddum5347 (talk) 03:08, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

The one proven wrong here were YOU. Either you did still NOT understand or just don't care about SYNTH. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 07:24, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Canadian Lynx on snow

What exactly does this mean?

"twice as effective as the bobcat at supporting its weight on the snow"

Ds77 (talk) 09:39, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

It can hold twice as much of its weight on snow than the bobcat can. But that wording is horrendous. It should be changed. Ddum5347 (talk) 14:45, 14 April 2021 (UTC)