Talk:Luke Cage (TV series)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Theo Rossi

This article states that Theo Rossi has been cast along with Alfre Woodard and Rosario Dawson. DinoSlider (talk) 17:30, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Adding. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:52, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I wasn't sure since the Alfre Woodard reference traces to the same article which says she is "close" to signing. DinoSlider (talk) 21:00, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Mahershala Ali

Mahershala Ali on Luke Cage Netflix page is in main cast [1]. Mike210381 (talk) 17:36, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Filming wrap

It seems that there was a wrap party for the series at some point, hopefully there will be a source out there for us to use for filming ending. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:12, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

I think we can use the info. I'm going to add it as I see to use it. Feel free to adjust or completely remove my edit. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:28, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

New logo

Supposedly, there is a teaser trailer for Luke Cage after the final episode of Daredevil Season 2. I found a pic of the logo here. - Richiekim (talk) 18:50, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Here's an article confirming the logo. - Richiekim (talk) 19:15, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Episode titles

@Favre1fan93: I'm not so sure that an explanation of the episode titles is not appropriate for the episode section. I agree that it does fit in as writing information, and I know that we don't usually have anything other than the episode tables in the episode section, but sometimes we do have notes on things in the table for clarity, and I think a short paragraph explaining the titles fits under that umbrella. I for one would never have known that the episode titles were the names of songs, as I am not familiar with Gang Starr or any of their work. Yes, people like me would learn this after reading through the rest of the article, but what if they are just checking the episode table? It just seems like a more appropriate place to let people, who otherwise wouldn't even realise or go looking for it, know what it means. - adamstom97 (talk) 07:09, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

I understand that, but I guess as another example, Jessica Jones used the "AKA" format, after the series removed that from its title. That was noted in the Development section and not the episodes section where it could have. I'm not saying its an apples to apples comparison, and I too would not have known the episodes were Gang Starr song titles without this info, but I don't feel having it above/below the episode table over the writing section would be more appropriate necessarily. I'm not going to make a stink over this by any means, but I do feel the writing section is the best place for the info at this time. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:37, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

The big difference for me is that with Jessica Jones it is clear that they all say "AKA", so a reader can go looking for why, whereas it likely won't be clear that there is something more to these episode titles and a reader might only find out that there is by stumbling upon the info in the writing section. However, I also won't make a big deal about this. I've tried to make the info a bit more prominent in the writing section for now, so it isn't so difficult for more casual readers to come across. - adamstom97 (talk) 12:44, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Season 1 poster

Should be be lucky enough to get the a second season, necessitating a move of much of this content to Luke Cage (season 1), here is the poster we can upload. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:54, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Question (not a complaint): Why not have all 13 rows for episodes in the episode listing?

The episode listing is up to 10 right now for those with known titles. But we know that the series will be 13 episodes total. Why not have 13 rows, with the unknown titles listed as "TBA" or some similar verbiage? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bflaminio (talk • contribs) 17:57, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

We don't want to end up with a whole lot of useles, empty rows, so our policy is to wait until we have at least two cells filled in (in these cases, we have dates and titles for the first 10) before showing the rows. The article notes the 13 episode length elsewhere anyway. - adamstom97 (talk) 23:40, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Uncited episode titles

I've recently had to remove a bunch if episode titles from the article, as they have no reference noting their validity. Someone else reverted it back in; I'm hoping it was only because my initial removal messed up the table. I've removed the uncited information again and fixed the table malformation that resulted from the initial edit. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 03:42, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Cheo Hodari Coker's Tweets announcing the episode titles are collected in the reference provided at the top of the table.
- LoveWaffle (talk) 04:13, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Like the source for the dates, if it is just one for the whole column we put it by the column heading. - adamstom97 (talk) 04:17, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry, that isn't clear. If you are going to claim to have the episode names, then you put a reference tag next to those names. Without it, no one knows if it is just fanboy blog wishes or something actually citable. I'd strongly recommend they be added to each episode; the names might very well be removed yet again without them. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 04:41, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

You are the only editor that has had an issue with this layout since the episode table has been added. There is no need to add references to every row for every episode if it can be added as a reference in the header cell, and hence sourcing the entirety of that column. Alex|The|Whovian^? 04:43, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Respectfully, I don't give a fig if I'm the first or fifty-first, Whovian; if even one editor asks for a reference, one has to be provided, or its out.Sorry for the harsh, but you've been here long enough to know the way this works. Wikipedia is not a support platform for fancruft. If you have reliable references, then add them to statements. If you do not, please do not add the info, as it becomes your Original Research, or someone's (non-production-specific) Twitter tweet about what they "might" have done. Now, do you want to try and find actual reliable sourcing for these article names, or do you want to keep arguing about basic editing policy. I'm removing it again. If you disagree with my interpretation of Verifiability, then do so here. Do not re-add unverified material without a Reliable Source. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 04:52, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

On second thought, this problem might have blind-sided you. With that in mind, i will wait a day before removing the episodes section table, replacing it with actual referenced info about the episodes. Time to roll up the sleeves. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 04:55, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Honestly, Sebastian, I've no idea what you're talking about. A reference is given. There is no funcruft or original research here. Everything in the table is sourced by the reference given in the header cell for the title column, and the release date column. There is no need for separate references in every episode row, but these are all compiled into one reference in the header cell. Please see the documentation for {{Episode table}}, and the use of *R parameters. This reference supports everything in that column. Now, do you want to try and use common sense and actually understand what's going on, or do you want to keep arguing about basic editing policy? If you remove the content again for no reason that has a solid basis, especially while a discussion is in place, you will be reported for edit warring. Alex|The|Whovian^? 05:25, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Ahh, i see what you've done - the wrong thing. You don;'t just drop the reference in the column header; you put it after ach and every episode title. If I missed this sparkly new formatting style (and I've been editing here for a (Redacted) longer than you have), then it seems pretty obvious that the reader is going to miss it as well. If you are unsure how to fix references, just ask. Please fix it, or I will. You won;t like how I fix it. Clock is running, Whovian - Jack Sebastian (talk) 05:33, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

So, basically what you're saying is, you'd prefer a table like this rather than the current episode table, where the one source in the header supports everything in the column? They use exactly the same sources, except that they're simply duplicated between every row. There is no need for this. If you wish to gain consensus for this, it's up to you to do it. There is wide consensus to use the current format in the Television WikiProject, and supported parameters in the episode table template created especially for this purpose. And your colourful language and attempt at superiority at being an editor longer than I have is making my patience with you wear extremely thin. Alex|The|Whovian^? 05:35, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes, that is precisely what I am saying (and its exactly what I did). The reason we do things this way to allow for more in-depth information about show titles to have their own source if the need should arise later. If you group them all at the top, slapdash-like, it makes the process of expansion more tedious in the long run. If you ask around in the Wikiproject, you will find that this is basic common sense.

And I should point out that I don't really care if you think your ears are too delicate for my language; if its wrong, I am going to say so. You should have learned that about me by now.
Since I fixed the thing I saw needing fixing, instead of leaving the onus of repair on you, I consider the matter concluded. Move on. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 06:08, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

And I consider the matter reverted. If you do ask around the WikiProject, you will find that you are in the extreme minority that shares this view. Go on. Ask about. You'll see. Alex|The|Whovian^? 06:09, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Consider the matter fixed yet again. And you should consider the fact that you keep removing cited information repeatedly the textbook definition of edit-warring. If you remove it again, I will file the complaint at the 3R noticeboard myself. Consider this your last warning. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 06:15, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

No need, friend. You can put across your views on the report I have filed against you. Alex|The|Whovian^? 06:18, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

They are probably getting to know you there really well, Alex, what with all your return visits. I've already posted my reply there. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 06:49, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Arbitrary break

Returning to the subject at hand, I think that listing the source for the episode names is not the best way to proceed. I think that each title should be cited individually. As the episodes are aired/released, there will be considerable reviews of them, and more information as to why the episodes are named the way they are. Listing an overriding citation in the column header prevents that from happening. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 20:09, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm not really sure what you mean by that, but we have an explanation for the titles in the writing section already, and all the episodes are being released on Friday anyway, at which point the references in the table are just going to be removed. - adamstom97 (talk) 20:56, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Exactly what Adam said. There's already a section regarding the titles, and one reference in the header isn't going to make anything different to the exact same reference in all of the rows in regards to explaining them. The reference in the episode table is disappearing in only a matter of days. And if you disagree with the usages of the specifically-created parameters, then the best place to discuss this is at either Template talk:Episode table or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television. Alex|The|Whovian^? 01:44, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

I've already read up on the matter there; its considered an suggested way, not the only way. And I will point out, yet again, that not citing the column allows us to add/replace references in the episode title sections a lot easier. Why put it in if you know you're going to remove it less than a week later? That sounds pointlessly wasteful. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 04:08, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Exactly. Your way is also considered a suggested way, not the only way. The columns are already cited, and have been for months. Much like how you want to move the consolidated reference down to every row, only to remove it less than a week later. "Pointlessly wasteful". Alex|The|Whovian^? 05:52, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

We have a source because it is still in the future. Once the episodes are released and we can site them directly, the source will be removed. That is how it works for these episode tables. There is no need to alter the references for the individual titles, because they all come straight from the showrunner, so we know they are correct. All we are doing is showing readers where we got them from, until the season is released. - adamstom97 (talk) 06:32, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

You're missing the point, Adam. When new information becomes available for some (but not all) of the episodes, the columnal citation messes up the individual citations that develop out for some but not all of the titles. It is why you do not ever see this sort of citation styling in GA or FA articles; its lazy editing because it always has to be done the right way eventually. My point is that when we do it the right way the first time, we are more efficient with our editing time. We cite each episode title, and either add to or remove the reference if a better one comes along. It is far more efficient to do it this way, as we can remove individual references, but can't add them when a blanket reference is in place. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 07:50, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

It is why you do not ever see this sort of citation styling in GA or FA articles I beg to differ. List of Doctor Who serials is FA, and Series 10's table uses such a layout. I could give other examples as well. And nothing is stopping you from adding both an encompassing reference and individual reference. However, no such extra references are required, as no further information concerning the episode titles needs to be added to the episode table. And individual references won't even be removed from the table, given that the all of the episode of the entire season are being released at the same time. Alex|The|Whovian^? 08:00, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Sigh. Some people only learn from doing it the hard way, so go ahead. Stamp your feet and get your way. Yes, you found two articles that cite the article in your pet way, presumably because you noticed that so very many others were the right way. And no, the columnar reference conceals citations; kind of the opposite of transparency. Anyway, go learn the hard way. I'll just let you fix it when you run into the problems I clearly pointed out for you. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 04:46, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

We thank you for your tireless contributions, and hope to see you again when you realize that the article will continue to run smoothly, as it has for months. Thank you. Alex|The|Whovian^? 04:52, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

When new information becomes available for some (but not all) of the episodes, the columnal citation messes up the individual citations that develop out for some but not all of the titles. How? The only other sources in the table, currently, are for the writers and directors for episodes 1-3. And each of those do not have the episode title, nor the air date, in them. So they are properly placed. If you have a "catch-all" source to cite everything in the column, it is perfectly fine to put it in the heading, rather than duplicating it unnecessarily X amount of times. Also, the refs for episode information are really only needed until they air, per WP:CRYSTAL. Then the episodes themselves become the sources, per WP:PRIMARY, and the refs are removed. Refs can be added again in cases where info is contentious or would benefit from having a third-party source. And yes, if for some reason the "catch-all" source no longer verifies the info, or say you get one to cover only all of episode 1's info but you still only have just the titles for the rest of the episodes, then the sources would be reformatted appropriately, with the refs next to each piece of info it cites. But that isn't our case here, and placing the ref in the heading (which is not concealed) is perfectly fine (as Adam and Alex have also been stating). - Favre1fan93 (talk) 05:20, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Turns out, Jack Sebastian, it was actually harder to remove the individual references (could have done it by hand, but ended up using regex in my notepad), whereas it would have been easier to do it through the header. The more you know. Alex|The|Whovian^? 08:21, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Slight edit

In the page, under the 'Release' section, it might be more clarifying to edit "The 13 hour-long episodes" to "The 13, hour-long, episodes" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.183.132.4 (talk) 16:10, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Alfre Woodard

I have seen news report about Alfre Woodard being cast, but I am not quite sure this is official. She could be Black Mariah, a relatively obscure Marvel character who does not have its own entry in wikipedia. Hektor (talk) 11:37, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Reports are official, however the deal is not. The report goes back to Deadline, who, while in their heading say she has been cast, in article actually state that she is close to finalizing her deal. So that means she is still in talk. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:22, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

In episode 3, Cottonmouth refers to her as Black Mariah. I would call that a confirmation. -- S ^talk/_contribs 16:38, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

"Culprint" ???

Can someone please tell me what is a "Culprint" ???

Thank you !

69.50.70.9 (talk) 21:18, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

It was a typo that I've just corrected. 02:08, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Episode titles

I notice all the episode titles (for Season One) are song titles from the hip-hop group Gangstarr. In which section would it be appropriate to note this? Thanks --Chimino (talk) 05:52, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

It is explained in the writing section already, but if you think it should be more prominent then we can discuss that. - adamstom97 (talk) 05:56, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2016

In the episode 9 summary, please change "Temple locates a severely injured Cage" to "Cage locates Temple" as it is Cage who finds Temple when he flees in a police car after fighting off two policemen.

Mohitk2908 (talk) 17:23, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Anup [Talk] 09:14, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2016

For episode 9 summary, please add "The experiment is unsuccessful and Cage experiences cardiac distress and then, apparently, dies." after the current summary as it is not complete.

Mohitk2908 (talk) 17:26, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Anup [Talk] 09:20, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Cast list

JesseRafe has been removing cast members, seemingly arbitrary, from the cast list, citing WP:CAST (that isn't a thing, so please clarify what you meant). Local consensus for the MCU articles, in order to best classify non-starring actors and characters, has decided that 4 or more appearances in a series constitutes "Recurring" status, with any other named actors appearing 2-3 or notably in 1 appearance in the "Guest" section (including actors reprising roles from previous MCU media). That is the rationale for how all the characters seen here were included. And as I stated, it seems that JesseRafe is just arbitrarily removing actors, even with the hidden notes included to inform editors criteria for these sections. Please explain why you were removing only certain actors that fit the criteria of inclusion. If it is a matter of the list being "too big", we can have a discussion about potentially splitting the characters to a List of characters article, though that is generally something done once a second season has been ordered. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:31, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

"Take It Personal"

"It" is a pronoun. Pronouns are capitalized in titles. Generally the things that are not capitalized are articles, conjunctions, and prepositions. "It" is none of those. Also, the official Netflix title card has the episode named "Take It Personal". Really, there is no reason for this to even be a Talk Section, and there is almost no case for "It" to be lowercase (save for the generic rule of thumb of some style guidelines that say words under 3/4/5 letters can be lowercase, but even then those rules have caveats for words like, "it", "be", "are", "was", etc.). -Uncleben85 (talk) 15:13, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Just to make it clear, per MOS:CT, "It" should be capitalized in the title, even though it's only two letters. The official capitalization doesn't make a difference here (see "Love Me like You Do" for precedent), though it happens to agree with our guidelines. nyuszika7h (talk) 17:07, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

I thought it should have been capitalized as well; they reverted without initiating discussion here. If they want their opinions heard, the smart move is to pipe up or get shut down. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 07:37, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Actually, that's on you, per WP:STATUSQUO. Alex|The|Whovian^? 07:46, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Actually, it's not. An unreasonable desire to maintain a falsely-informed consensus in the face of proper guideline or policy is stpid and uninformed. Btw, you might want to re-read STATUSQUO a bit more carefully. And now, since the problem is solved, let's move on. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 17:38, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Still on you per WP:STATUSQUO. And yes, let's. Alex|The|Whovian^? 21:28, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Episode titles

Hasn't anybody noticed yet that all titles of the episodes are GangStarr songs? I think it is worth mentioning

--Kontemarlos (talk) 16:11, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes, see Luke Cage (season 1).--TriiipleThreat (talk) 16:13, 13 March 2017 (UTC)