Talk:Luis de Lacy

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Genealogy

I'm copyediting this article to get it out of the Copyeditors' Guild backlog. §Family history, which I've just created as a subsection of §Biography, contains this paragraph (emphasis and colors added):

Further back Luis's descent is traced from John de Lacy (born c. 1646) of La Garthe in county Limerick in Ireland. John de Lacy is believed to have descended from John Roe (the ruddy) de Lacy(-Billingari) of La Garthe who owned Ballangarry castle, who was attainted and had some of his lands confiscated in 1583 during the time of Elizabeth I, and who married Lady Eleanor Hurley (born c. 1652) of Knocklong, Limerick, daughter of Sir John Hurley. This made him a cousin to Colonel John Hurley and Sir John Hurley.

Now,

1. It's, let us say, extremely unlikely that a man who had lands confiscated in 1583 was still around to marry a woman who was born about seventy years later!
2. And who then was a cousin to the colonel and the knight? John de Lacy or John Roe de Lacy(-Billingari) of La Garthe?
3. Note, though, that the linked Sir John Hurley, "fl. 1714", is not the same as Lady Eleanor (born c. 1652)'s father of the same name. (See Geni.)

This is so tangled, both in content and in reference ("Third base!"), that at this time I'm not going to try to straighten it out. Rather, I'm ending the paragraph at "confiscated in 1583 during the time of Elizabeth I", referencing this talk section for the removed* text. --Thnidu (talk) 05:50, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

* Instead of removing the text, I commented it out in HTML. That way its place in the text is quite clear to whoever takes on the task of untangling it. --Thnidu (talk) 05:28, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

General Freire

§ Early army fighting against Napoleon's forces (1808–09) says:

1809, November 10 - [...] Adding the cavalry of General Freire,

This "General Freire" is not further identified anywhere in the article. I think he cannot be General Ramón Freire, President of Chile in the 1820s; nor the Portuguese General Bernardim Freire de Andrade, lynched by his own men in 1809.

The likeliest candidate I've been able to find is Manuel Freire de Andrade; however, apparently he was not promoted to general until at least 1810:

On 10 January 1810, his cavalry forces were combined with the Third Army, and Freire became a cavalry commander. [...]

After fighting the French in Murcia, Granada, and Valencia (1810-1812), Freire became a general and succeeded Francisco Javier Castaños in command of the Fourth Army, or Army of Galicia on August 12, 1813.

Could he be Gomes Freire de Andrade, instead? Executed in 1817. Sankta mardo, his article is a godawful mess; it looks like it was written in another language (Portuguese?), then fed into Google Translate or some similar machine, chewed up, and spat out.

See also Talk:Juan Carlos de Aréizaga#General Freire. He is also mentioned in

• Battle of San Marcial
• Battle of Roliça
• Juan Carlos de Aréizaga

If you would like to discuss this with me, please {{Ping}} me. Thnidu (talk) 06:38, 17 December 2014 (UTC). Further edited 05:48, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Must be Manuel Freire de Andrade, who commanded the Spanish cavalry at Ocana.Robinvp11 (talk) 20:00, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

References

Many of the reference links were dead; I'm doing what I can to update them, with much help from the Wayback Machine. If you would like to discuss this with me, please {{Ping}} me. Thnidu (talk) 09:04, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

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Needs work...and references

I've made a start. Any suggestions, feel free.

Robinvp11 (talk) 15:16, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

"Pronouncement of Lacy" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Pronouncement of Lacy and has thus listed it at redirects for discussion. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 23#Pronouncement of Lacy until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Veverve (talk) 01:20, 23 December 2021 (UTC)