Talk:Lowell Milken

Excessively positive?

I've just found this article, and while it passes the basic tests - the subject is clearly notable, and the article doesn't contain any obviously false statements - I do have concerns about its neutrality. It looks to me like it was written to present its subject in the best possible light. Wikipedia articles should be written from a neutral point of view, rather than a positive or negative one. However, if there really is nothing negative to say about this guy, then perhaps the article is fine as it is. Robofish (talk) 03:16, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, he was implicated in the insider trading scandals of the late 1980's, along with his brother Michael. Jmkstrat (talk) 15:53, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, this needs work. Some news stories of the period:

• "Michael and Lowell Milken and Mr. Newberg were named in a 98-count indictment in March that charged them with racketeering and a long list of mail, wire and securities frauds."[1]
• "The plea bargain [of Michael Milken] contains no insider trading or racketeering charges and the Government agreed to drop its case against Lowell Milken. That was said to be a key component of [Michael] Milkin's decision to plead guilty."[2]
• "NYSE bars Lowell Milken: The New York Stock Exchange barred Michael Milken's brother for refusing to testify in the exchange's investigation of Drexel Burnham Lambert Inc."[3]

--John Nagle (talk) 06:06, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Please watch for edits from WP:SPA accounts. Thanks. --John Nagle (talk) 07:54, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

The cited materials only ASSUME Lowell's charges were dropped due to Michael's plea agreement. Prosecution quite possibly could have dropped all charges due to lack of evidence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrFactChecker (talk • contribs) 18:44, 25 January 2011 (UTC) — MrFactChecker (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. JoeSperrazza (talk) 04:04, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

WP:COI issues for this article are being discussed at Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#Milkin_family_reputation_enhancement_project --John Nagle (talk) 21:53, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Most of the Milkin editors turned out to be sockpuppets and were blocked. --John Nagle (talk) 18:19, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Trimmed article, added cites, removed links to pictures uploaded by sockpuppets, removed "resume" tag. Now a somewhat bland, but reasonably neutral article. --John Nagle (talk) 18:19, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Added a brief mention of his career at Drexel. That's important; he was presented as a philanthropist, with no mention of how he made his money. --John Nagle (talk) 18:31, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

I work for Lowell Milken and we intend to add additional unbiased biographical information to his page in the next few days. There is a substantial amount of biographical information about Lowell Milken that is not currently listed here and I'd like to add these facts along with sources. Based on the wikipedia publishing guidelines, I am under the assumption that as long as I provide accurate source material for each of our additions to the page, follow the formatting for wikipedia and make sure the additions are not marketing or PR oriented, this will be okay. Much thanks Sarahkeen (talk) 18:06, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

I just finished making changes to Lowell Milken's page and added citations where they were missing. Sarahkeen (talk) 00:17, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

To make sure that this article remains neutral and unbiased I would encourage other users to make contributions to Lowell's page. There is a COI issue that was brought up, but my goals were only to add more information. I did not remove any of the previous information that was biographical and accurate.Sarahkeen (talk) 04:19, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it is excessively positive while completely ignoring all the lawsuits Lowell was involved in. Why didn't you guys include that in the main page a decade ago? It's not undue weight.

Also, lately there have been groups of WP:SPA editors/vandalizers trying to remove controversies on Michael Milken's page. Probably part of the effort to clean up his and his brother's images. --HSukePup (talk) 16:38, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

The lede should summarize the article

I reverted a recent change [4] that was inappropriate, per WP:LEAD:

1. "The lead serves both as an introduction to the article and as a summary of its most important aspects."
2. "When writing about controversies in the lead of the biography of a living person, notable material should neither be suppressed nor allowed to overwhelm..."

JoeSperrazza (talk) 03:11, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Watch for edits from anons and SPAs; we just had a sockpuppet investigation, with all of the SPAs who edited in recent months turning out to be socks. --John Nagle (talk) 16:37, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Milken and Heron International

Some Milken-related sites say that Lowell Milken is Chairman of Heron International, a real estate company in the UK.[5] I can't find a reliable source for that, though. The Heron International site doesn't list him as chairman[6], and no news item known to Google puts him there. --John Nagle (talk) 16:37, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Photograph

I'd like to suggest the an image of Lowell Milken be added to his page. An editor recommended that it would be best for me to suggest changes to Lowell's page here so that another editor can add them, since I am a representative of Lowell Milken. So far all of the changes I have made to his page have been neutral and cited with reliable sources, but I want to make to sure assuage any concern that there is a COI issue with my contributions, so I plan to review them on this page first. Thanks Sarahkeen (talk) 17:01, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Sure. See WP:IUP. You can upload an image if you took it and own full rights to it. If you want to upload an image taken by someone else, verification of rights is required, and there's a procedure for that. See WP:PERMISSIONS. Note that uploading an image to Wikipedia releases it for use by others, which is why this is complicated. From a neutrality perspective, a simple headshot is suggested.

The previous images were deleted because they were copied from press sources, or were taken by a professional photographer but claimed as taken by the uploader. --John Nagle (talk) 21:25, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

I tried to add an image from wikimedia commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lowell_milken.jpg that is a headshot but it does not appear on the page, so I deleted it. The URL to the wikimedia page was showing instead Do I need to wait until Wikipedia has approved the image and the licensing before I can add it to the page? Thanks so much for helping me with his process. Sarahkeen (talk) 21:58, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

No, that was just a problem with the Wikipedia markup language used. I fixed that, and the image now appears. But the image itself still needs a clear release of rights from the uploader. See the note at [7]. Wikipedia image policy is so tough because those images get reused widely. (Also, although the caption says "Lowell Milken in 2009", the image metadata says the picture was taken at "14:22, 29 July 2002".) --John Nagle (talk) 16:35, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing the image. Much appreciated. In light of the OTRS note, I think it's wisest for me to remove the image and have the photography upload it directly. Since I'm not 100% on what is missing from the permissions email I sent in. That way there is no question on the permissions. Much thanks. Sarahkeen (talk) 20:21, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I got some information from the editor [Adrignola] and the photographer has 29 days to send in the permissions form that is needed, so I've been in touch with the photographer and he says he will send in the form next week. Just wanted to provide an update. Thanks. Sarahkeen (talk) 18:44, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Recent Announcement about UCLA

This morning there was an announcement made by UCLA about the creation of the Lowell Milken Institute at UCLA School of Law: [8]. This is a fairly news-worthy development. I wanted to share this on the talk page and see if other editors would consider this an important addition to Lowell's Wikipedia page before adding a section about it. The full press release can be read on the UCLA School of Law Website: [9]. Thanks ahead of time for reading and responding. Sarahkeen (talk) 18:09, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Lowell and the National Institute for Excellence in Teaching

I am a representative of Lowell Milken and, since June 2011, have been adding additional reliable sources to improve the accuracy of this biography. Since the message at the top continues to ask for additional reliable sources for information, I would like to add a section to this page that will allow me to provide additional reliable sources that reference Lowell's role as Chairman of Founder of the National Institute for Excellence in Teaching (NIET) and site several news sources about his role, including school district websites and Blogs, but I wanted to review this with editors here before adding to his page. Will these sources be sufficient to support that he is the Chairman and Founder of NIET? Thanks so much for reading and responding. Sarahkeen (talk) 16:55, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

After corresponding with an editor on my talk page, I went ahead and added information to the Lowell Milken biography earlier today. If any editors want to discuss these edits with me, please let me know here or on my talk page. Thank you so much. Sarahkeen (talk) 22:46, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Neutral Point of View Warning

Since this article's Neutral point of view is being questioned at the top of the page currently, I do not plan to contribute directly to this page. Based on the close connection that I disclosed before ever beginning to edit this page according to wikipedia's COI guidelines, I plan to monitor this page for someone making clearly subjective edits to this page that are excessively positive or negative as I have done so far. Over the past several years the edits I have made to the page have not been reverted because of my transparency and objective contributions to improve the accuracy and factual nature of this page. Thank you Sarahkeen (talk) 19:35, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

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