Talk:Louise Nevelson/Archive 1

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Requested move

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was: Page Moved. Station1 (talk) 16:07, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

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Louise Berliawsky Nevelson → Louise Nevelson — per WP:COMMONNAME. Deor (talk) 22:29, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the move to "Louise Nevelson." Bus stop (talk) 02:01, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Confusing history

I have read the article with great interest but am confused by the early history of Louise Nevelson. It is stated that she was borni in 1899 and left the family in Russia to move to the United States in 1902. This would mean that at the age of three, she left her family! There must be some additional explanation, for example that she was taken to the United States with friends or relatives. Similarly, when she stopped talking for six months, she must have been hardly more than a baby -- so how much had she been talking beforehand? It seems surprising that all this is documented without further explanation. Ditto the money sent by her father - who to? From the text of the article, it seems as if Nevelson was living alone but this cannot have been the case at such an early age. Would it be possible to research this further. If additional information is not available, the account could be introduced with an explanation that only scant details of her early life are available but she appears to have been taken to the United States when only two or three years old, etc.

There is also a passage about her mother dressing the children up in fancy dress but there is no explanation of who the children are. Her brothers and sisters??? Who, how many? What became of them?

After this is cleared up and bits of reptition have been eliminated from the body of the article, work on a GA could start. Seems to be another good candidate. - Ipigott (talk) 09:22, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

I now see that further details of Louise's early life and her family's emigration are given in "The sculpture of Louise Nevelson: constructing a legend" which is listed under Further reading. The text can be accessed through Google Books here. This not only provides details of Louise's siblings but also explains that it was after moving to Kiev that she is said to have stopped talking as she was missing her father who seems to have been the first to move to the States. In 1905, he arranged passage by boat for the rest of the family. If this account is correct, Louise Nevelson moved to the United States with her mother and siblings in 1905 - when she was about six. This all seems far more reasonable than the explanations given in the article. I leave it to the archives experts to check the details out more thoroughly. - Ipigott (talk) 09:51, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

I actually wrote the original re-write of this article. "he" left Russia, not her, which I think is rather obvious. But, that is an error on my part (I think) that no one has changed. Regardless, my original goal was to clean up the article and then expand on the article with better sources, but, I haven't had time. SarahStierch (talk) 14:20, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

I think it would be better if you rewrote the section as you would like to see it but if you are really too tied up with other matters, I'll look at it again tomorrow. It can't just be left the way it is. In any case, I appreciate all the hard work you've done on the article. - Ipigott (talk) 18:15, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

I just took the time to c/e the entire article (to my liking). I have no clue how the hell it got "dumbed down" in some areas. I'm going to perhaps add a few other things in. I'd like to see this be a GA, and I'm happy you have interest in helping me with that! SarahStierch (talk) 19:56, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Great! Very much better now. I would be happy to help with a GA. I'll look through the whole article once more when I have more time. - Ipigott (talk) 05:58, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

I worked on filling in some more information over the past few days. I think the article is of fairly decent quality more so now. I did add information about her estate, you'll see it located in the "legacy" section. I was unable to find outcome information about the lawsuit(s), so feel free to add an outcome if you can dig it up :) SarahStierch (talk) 15:54, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

MacDowell award

Moving this statement here, until a reliable secondary source can be found. Really getting tired of this :):

In 1969 Nevelson was awarded the Edward MacDowell Medal for outstanding contribution to the arts by the MacDowell Colony.

--- Missvain (talk) 15:49, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

I added two reliable sources for this: the Daily Telegraph and Crystal Springs museum. I note that the official web site of the medal also includes Nevelson in the list of medal recipients. Although I consider this a primary source rather than a secondary source, so not a suitable source for Wikipedia, it is at least somewhat indicative that Nevelson is, in fact, a medal winner. MarylandGeoffrey (talk) 22:11, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

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Ukraine

Please do not do violence to the history of Jews living in the Russian Empire who were consigned by the Tsar to live "in the Pale of Settlement" in the Ukraine. That was almost all Jews, and after a deadly series of pogroms around the turn of the century, often committed by Cossacks, Jews fled, many to the US and North America. Although as I write, Russia has invaded Ukraine in an effort to overthrow its government, we cannot express our support by adding the nationality 'Ukrainian' to Nevelson or any other Jew from that period. Like all Jews, she and her family would not have been recognized as either Russian or Ukrainian at the time. I removed the designation "Ukrainian" from her nationality and left 'American," though I would prefer not to have"nationality" as a category in quite that way. Thank you for your understanding and respect for history. Actio (talk) 04:39, 26 February 2022 (UTC)