Talk:Los Jardines

Incorrect early location of Los Jardines in source? edit

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An 1806 British map showing two possible locations of (Los) Jardines northeast of the Mariana Islands

The original location of Los Jardines, described as "in the Western Pacific, not far from New Guinea"^[1] in the article's main source conflicts with other sources which locate them in the Marshalls near Enewetak or Bikini Atolls^[2]^[3] (including the article's other source^[4]). Also nb the two locations marked on the map on the right. Any comments before I make changes reflecting this? — AjaxSmack 02:28, 8 August 2018 (UTC)Reply

With no objections in over 6 months, I have removed the dubious statement. — AjaxSmack 03:23, 1 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

References

^ "These Imaginary Islands Only Existed on Maps". 2017-12-09. Retrieved 2018-08-05.
^ Francis X. Hezel. The First Taint of Civilization: A History of the Caroline and Marshall Islands in Pre-colonial Days, 1521-1885. University of Hawaii Press, 1994. ISBN 9780824816438 P. 16: "The island group, which the Spaniards called Los Jardines,...cannot be identified with certainty, but the likeliest candidates seem to be Enewetak and Bikini..." and P. 19: "[Villalobos and crew] reached another atoll, also in the Marshalls, which they thought to be Saavedra's Los Jardines."
^ International Hydrographic Review, Volume 67. 1990. P. 165: "In 1529, Alvaro de Saavedra reported the discovery of two small islands about 375 miles northeast of the Mariana Islands. He gave to these the name Los Buenos Jardines. ... About 14 years later, Villalobos reported sighting in the same general location a small group of islands he also called Los Jardines. ... The location of these groups was between latitude 21° and 22° North and in longitude 153° East."
^ Stommel, Henry (1984). Lost Islands: The Story of Islands That Have Vanished from Nautical Charts. Vancouver: University of British Columbia Press. pp. 10–15. ISBN 0-7748-0210-3. P. 10: "Saavedra spent several days on two islands east of the Marianas. He called them Los Buenos Jardines..."

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[1] "These Imaginary Islands Only Existed on Maps". 2017-12-09. Retrieved 2018-08-05.

[2] Francis X. Hezel. The First Taint of Civilization: A History of the Caroline and Marshall Islands in Pre-colonial Days, 1521-1885. University of Hawaii Press, 1994. ISBN 9780824816438 P. 16: "The island group, which the Spaniards called Los Jardines,...cannot be identified with certainty, but the likeliest candidates seem to be Enewetak and Bikini..." and P. 19: "[Villalobos and crew] reached another atoll, also in the Marshalls, which they thought to be Saavedra's Los Jardines."

[3] International Hydrographic Review, Volume 67. 1990. P. 165: "In 1529, Alvaro de Saavedra reported the discovery of two small islands about 375 miles northeast of the Mariana Islands. He gave to these the name Los Buenos Jardines. ... About 14 years later, Villalobos reported sighting in the same general location a small group of islands he also called Los Jardines. ... The location of these groups was between latitude 21° and 22° North and in longitude 153° East."

[4] Stommel, Henry (1984). Lost Islands: The Story of Islands That Have Vanished from Nautical Charts. Vancouver: University of British Columbia Press. pp. 10–15. ISBN 0-7748-0210-3. P. 10: "Saavedra spent several days on two islands east of the Marianas. He called them Los Buenos Jardines..."

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