Talk:Longwood (Baton Rouge, Louisiana)

discussion

I lived in this house when I was a child and while I gathered some of the hard facts from Louisiana's Historical Register, most of it came from my head. Raich3421 (talk) 04:52, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

I have removed the speedy deletion tag, as the article does not constitute a copyright violation now. Gilo ö 07:48, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

The two photos now included in the article are available as links from Louisiana's listing of information about the NRHP designation (photos at bottom of this page). It appears those photos were included in the 1983 era application for NRHP listing of the property. Raich3421, if you took those photos yourself and provided them for the NRHP application, then you would have copyright ownership and could legally upload the photos. If the photos were just taken from that website and uploaded by someone who did not have copyright, then that would be copyright violation on the photos. The state website contents are copyrighted. As the images here duplicate the copyrighted images at the state website, some further clarification is probably needed, otherwise the images are likely to be tagged as copyvio and removed from wikipedia and the commons. Raich3421, I may try to arrange for someone more knowledgeable than me to correspond with you about the photos, so that they can be kept without problems. doncram (talk) 19:21, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

The photos have been removed. They had hung in my grandmother's home for years and I had no idea they were copyrighted by the Historic Register. I will be putting up photos that I did take myself. Thank you for making me aware.Raich3421 (talk) 04:05, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate your responding. Your providing new/different photos would certainly resolve the situation. But, if the photos hung in your grandmother's home, it is likely that the copyright is not held by anyone else, and the photos could be accepted. It seems possible that the photographs were included in the NRHP application because they were available from your grandmother, and were not taken by the state or other preparer of the NRHP application. Providing them to the state for use in the NRHP application would not involve transfer of copyright to the state. So it could still be clarified that those photographs are okay to upload. But again, if you can provide different photos, that resolves the situation. FYI, i asked the copyright "experts" about this at here but have not yet seen any reply. Thanks for contributing! doncram (talk) 04:14, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

NRHP application document as source

The full NRHP application document, rather than just the brief summary available at the Louisiana state source, would probably be helpful in adding more information to this article. To get a free copy of the full NRHP application document, send an email request to nr_reference (at) nps.gov. If the National Register has a scanned copy, they will email it to you, otherwise they will send it at no charge by postal mail. The brief summary so far used in the article is inferior, in that it is probably shorter in its description than what the full document provides, and also it omits authors and date of preparation that are part of making a good reference. If you do request and obtain this document, I would be very glad to help in improving its referencing and otherwise using it in this article. doncram (talk) 04:27, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate the suggestion and I have contacted the National Register. They directed me to the website. I've sent another one requesting more information. I hope it is successful. I've also contacted an uncle who has the 'Longwood Bible.' I'd like to use it to add more information but am not sure how I would cite the source since it is a family reference tool. It goes back as far as the Civil War and has documented every important thing to ever happen to the property.Raich3421 (talk) 02:38, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. The National Park Service has a website, the PDF Focus system, which makes available the NRHP application documents for some of the sites. But not many, and i checked and it does not have Longwood's. So do please say it has been checked, their PDF Focus system does not have the documents, could they please send to you by email or postal mail.

About the Longwood Bible, that is great your uncle has it. In Wikipedia terms, that is a primary document, and as an encyclopedia what is preferred is to use what is generally accepted in secondary or tertiary sources. See wp:primary. But information from primary sources can be used, with care. I wonder if a copy could be preserved in a library, and made accessible to others, if there is any much information in it that is of relevance here. Or, could copied/scanned pages be posted at a personal website? A family/personal website is an unusual source for use in wikipedia, but can be used.

I appreciate your working with me so diligently to make this a better page. I did recieve the documents we discussed from the National Park Service. I wonder, can I use them to put more details into the article? And how would I source the data? Can I use the images they sent also or are those copyrighted photos? Again, I am grateful for your time and expertise in these areas.