Talk:Longeing cavesson

"The bridle checkpieces should be lengthened to allow this. If the bridle also has a noseband, It is removed".

This is nonsense! The checkpieces shouldn't be lengthened! The noseband shouldn't be removed, but the cavesson should be placed over a drop noseband and below a plain noseband or french cavesson.Conversano Isabella (talk) 14:35, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Not in the USA, where many people outside of the dressage community use longeing cavessons, and particularly on small-headed horses. On a warmblood with a big head it may not matter, but on an Arabian, Morgan or Quarter horse there is simply no room for all that leather and something has to go, most bridles used with a longeing cavesson are thus open-faced. However, there may be some wisdom in rewording what is basically a "how-to" seciton in this article. I'll take a look at it, and thanks for bringing this up. Montanabw^(talk) 22:50, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

And also, on small-headed horses, a leather longeing cavesson is so big and bulky that the cheeks DO need to be lengthened a hole or two in order for the bit to sit properly. I did a brief rewrite for clarification. Montanabw^(talk) 23:03, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Just pleasure riders may do so! If the head is too small bye a fitting cavesson!!!

You have to remove any additional traditional cavesson-style nosebands on a bridle for a longeing cavesson to fit. In theory you could fit it over a dropped noseband, but that makes it very severe.

The term "longeing cavesson" is also wrong! "Cavesson" is the right term. A cavesson for longeing! ....or are you saying a "longeing bridle" if you use a bridle for longeing? A cavesson can be used for everything! Conversano Isabella (talk) 13:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

The Spanish Riding School uses the cavesson more than 400 years, much longer than some so called "people outside the dressage community" in the US! Conversano Isabella (talk) 13:09, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

This is not an article about the Spanish Riding School, it is an article about the Longeing cavesson as used in the modern world by a variety of people. In English, a "cavesson" is any kind of noseband that is kept on the horse with an independent headstall. The longeing cavesson with all the extra rings and stabilization straps is a specialized design. And yes, in terms of etymology and history, sure, "cavesson" used alone is a French term for a heavy training derived from the ancient hakma of Ancient Persia, which was the common ancestor of both the longeing cavesson and the bosal. But the point is that this is ENGLISH language wikipedia, making use of English terminology and so on. Modern use differentiates between the cavesson-style noseband on an English bridle, a longeing cavesson, and the purely decorative "nosebands" that attach to the bridle itself. Montanabw^(talk) 19:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)