Talk:London Buses

23 million

"over 23 million buses running every day." --- errr what??! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tim166 (talk • contribs) 17:10, 7 September 2006.

Confusing

It is confusing to say that buses accept Oyster cards, because Oyster cards are just containers for electronic tickets. It is analagous to saying they accept wallets when cash is meant. Travelcards - strictly travelcard season tickets - can be on carboard or on Oyster (though one day travel cards are not offered as an Oyster product). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.7.54.92 (talk • contribs) 17:10, 7 September 2006.

Its not confusing, they have the readers for Oyster cards so can accpet them, simple.

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Destination blinds

Additionally, London Buses also specifies that vehicles operating in London use linen roller destination blinds, whereas in most other parts of the country, electronic dot matrix or LED displays are the norm on new buses.

Has it ever been explained why they require this — is it aesthetically motivated, just an anachronism, or is there some other logic behind it? David Arthur 14:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

TfL think it is clearer. Arriva436^talk 11:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

It is, unless sunlight reflects off them, or the light has blown.. but electronic displays have a low resolution.155.198.33.150 (talk) 12:23, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I have changed the word 'linen' to 'printed' roller destination blinds. This is because since around 1988, when the manufacture of LT's destination blinds were outsourced, the use of silk screen printed paper bills glued to a linen (calaco) backing ceased and manufacture switched to using Tyvek, a type of plastic paper made from polyethylene. Today, blinds made from PET film are commonplace in London as part of the PowerBlinds and SmartBlinds packages fitted to the latest vehicles. The word 'linen' is therefore an anachronism. Mike Welch, www.blindsforbuses.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emjayuu (talk • contribs) 22:35, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

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Logo

Can anyone confirm this logo Image:BusMark.jpg is still in use on buses or anywhere else, as the replaced roundel looks absolutely crap, and I'm sure the colour is wrong looking disticntly orange. I might be imagining it, but if you look at the bottom of this map [1], it should be redder. MickMacNee (talk) 13:15, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I took roundel from TfL design standards. <Flrn^talk> 14:01, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Consensus image for infobox

There have been a fair few modifications to the infobox image, I wonder if we can agree on a consensus image? I think the infobox image needs to depict the "classic red double decker", should be a common model that is most familiar to readers, and as modern as possible. The hybrid bus Image:London Bus route 328 hybrid bus A.jpg looks great but is rare, I've never seen one and I live and work in London, while the current image Image:Arriva VLA156 on 159.JPG is probably more ideal but it's a bus that's at least five years old (55 plate), and there are so many more modern buses in the fleet (59, 10 & 60 plates). User:Tbmurray (talk) 23:28, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree we need red double decker. I also agree that we need one familiar to readers, which the ALX400 is very. I was looking for a Wright Eclipse Gemini but I couldn't find one that would be suitable. Where I disagree is that we need as modern image as possible. The most modern buses are less familiar to readers. How many ALX400s are there in London compared with OmniCitys and Gemini 2s for example? Many more ALX400s. I also don't see a problem with the bus being five years old. While there are many more modern buses in the fleet, there are also many (and probably more) buses that are older than it. I don't think we should have a hybrid, as as you say they're rare, and besides that image didn't suit the infobox very well. Plus there's an article about hybrid buses in London anyway.

I don't mind if anyone changes the image, as I realise the current one is mine and it looks like I've just put it there because of that, but I think any image should show:

• A familiar bus.
• Be in sunny conditions (the sun shining onto the bus at the right angle)
• Be in a decent location, not an obscure place.
• Be cropped quite tightly.
• Have the bus at the "right" angle, so it suits the infobox. I think the bus needs to be pointing so it faces out of the infoxbox if you see what I mean.

And it would be good if we good find concesnus here first. Unfortuantely, someone's been busy uploading images from Flickr etc onto Wikimedia Commons, but not bothering to put them into categories properly, so you can't really search by type of bus. Most of these images have just been dumped into the bus routes categories. Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 12:11, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Good points which I mostly agree with. One other option is to create and use a collage of images of the different buses used past and present, e.g. Routemaster, ALX400, OmniCity, hybrid... I'll have a hunt later for a decent image on WM Commons, and likewise on Flickr, but in any event I think this is the type of article where the lead picture should be a consensus agreed image. User:Tbmurray (talk) 14:02, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

The composite image is a good idea. A Routemaster, an ALX400, a hybrid, an artic and a single-decker would be my ideal combination. One should be an East Thames Buses vehicles since they were directly operated by TfL. Alzarian16 (talk) 19:38, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to be a pain, but I don't like the composite image idea. While it sounds good at first, I don't think it will work. While for example the London article has composite images, this works because each image is so different. With several small images of different bus types, I'm not convinced it will look anything other than a load of small red boxes, unless you make the image huge. A more important issue, and one I think has been overlooked, is what this article is actually about. It's not about "Buses in London", or "London Transport" (who operated their own buses). Its London Buses, which, taking from the lead of the article, "is the subsidiary of Transport for London (TfL) that manages bus services within Greater London, UK. Buses are required to carry similar red colour schemes and conform to the same fare scheme. All services are provided by private sector operators." So it's just a governing body, that doesn't really have anything to do with the buses themselves (I know they specify type, double-, single-, artic etc), but the manufacturer of the bus is down the the operators, Routemasters and artics is more to do with the mayor than anything else, as are hybrids. I note that the Transport for London article doesn't even have an image. I think our best bet is to find the best image of a red double decker and just leave it at that. Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 12:11, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I think we do need to keep in context. The article Buses in London is probably the more suitable home for a image or composite image of a bus, as this article relates to just the operating body. In fact, is a photo of a bus warranted at all, given that London Undergound, for example, doesn't carry a photo of a tube in it's infobox...? User:Tbmurray (talk) 22:55, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Merge

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The two London Buses articles are not sufficiently distinct to warrant two articles. One is supposed to be more historical / general than the other, but in fact they are both broad. London Underground has only one article, so London Buses should follow. Algarve1233 (talk) 08:44, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

No, London Buses doesn't mention anything earlier than 1985, when the company was formed, and goes into more detail about this period than the other article. I've moved the "London buses used in art" section there. Peter James (talk) 23:29, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

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