Talk:Locomotives of the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway

Manchester to Bolton line

I don't suppose anyone could provide me of an example of the type of locomotive commonly used on this line? For the Railway section of the Manchester Bolton & Bury Canal article. Just for illustrative purposes. Right now I have Lancashire Witch in there but I'm not entirely certain its appropriate. Parrot of Doom (talk) 00:30, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Lancashire and Yorkshire loco classification

Moved from User talk:Biscuittin § Lancashire and Yorkshire loco classification

 – Biscuittin (talk) 12:40, 14 April 2012 (UTC) and Redrose64 (talk) 19:08, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

I have copied this from my talk page for information:

Hi, the letter/number "classification" for L&YR locomotives, such as Q2 for the 0-8-0 Compound, was a fabrication by R.W. Rush (the same chap that invented classifications for Furness locos, see Talk:Furness Railway K1#Bob Rush), and has no basis in fact. Unfortunately E.F. Carter, also Casserley and Johnston, have copied these fictitious classifications into their books, giving rise to the erroneous belief that they were in some way "official". --Redrose64 (talk) 12:22, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Can you provide a source for the "number only" classifications, e.g. L&YR Class 8. Biscuittin (talk) 12:36, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

I assume that you mean 5 for the saturated 2-4-2T and 6 for those with superheater, etc. These are listed in

• Marshall, John (1972). "Appendix 2: Hughes' Classification of Engines, Introduced 1919". The Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway, volume 3. Newton Abbot: David & Charles. p. 273. ISBN 0-7153-5320-9.

Marshall sources this to "working timetable appendix 1921" so they can be taken as official.

I've found more on Rush's system in the same book. According to Marshall (pp. 284-5), Rush's book The Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway and its locomotives (1949) is basically sound but contains a number of errors. In particular, Marshall notes "Also, as he states clearly on page 24, for reference within the book Mr Rush devised a system of locomotive classification which, unfortunately, became used elsewhere". I don't have this book, but I do have his two on the Furness, which I assume follow a similar plan. In these, Rush doesn't put all information concerning one class together, but the first book has a section of text, broken down by class, which descries their origins, uses, modifications, demise, etc.; and much later on, there is a chronological loco list. The second book repeats the chronological loco list, and follows this with a table of dimensions and a section of diagrams. Interspersed through the latter are eight-page sections of photographs. For example, the well-known no. 3 is in the first book on pp. 63-64 under the heading "Class A2. 0-4-0 tender engines" and in the list on p.108; and in the second book it's listed on p. 7, dimensions are on p. 13, diagram p.15. The letter/number code (in this case A2) is used as a link between the various entries. Presumably this is to save space, compared to the repetitive use of a longer description.

There are some notes at the entry in steamindex which includes the following on a work by Barry Lane: "it comments upon L&YR locomotive classification and approves of the avoidance of Rush's system (which was not an official classication: that used numbers as employed by the GWR)." --Redrose64 (talk) 13:11, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

The entry in steamindex here uses numbers for classes, e.g. 1400 class for the L&YR Class 7, that being the number of the first to be built. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:47, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Multiple post

Per WP:MULTI I've not duplicated my second post at User talk:Biscuittin#Lancashire and Yorkshire loco classification. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:17, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

I think it's more useful if it's discussed here. I have updated the text at Locomotives_of_the_Lancashire_and_Yorkshire_Railway#Notes_on_L.26Y_classes. Biscuittin (talk) 14:12, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't actually mind where it is, so long as it's all in one place; I've moved my response here, and used the {{Moved discussion from}} template. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:08, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Biscuittin (talk) 19:16, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

William Jenkins, locomotive superintendent 1845–1867

Is this William Jenkins (1825–1895), general manager of Consett Iron Company from 1869 to 1894? The dates fit. Roberttherambler (talk) 18:46, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

No, it is William Jenkins (1803-1867).[1] Roberttherambler (talk) 18:52, 14 September 2017 (UTC)