Talk:Living Enrichment Center/Archive 2
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Closure Neutrality
It appears that at least the beginning of this section was copy-pasted from something that Mary wrote, and incompletely changed to third-person. Consequently, there are several statements that don't quite make sense (as in, what does "our" and "my" mean in the context of a Wikipedia entry), and several statements that lack any kind of evidence or are value judgments, such as "she deeply regrets..." I don't know the source that was used for these statements, but I think that section could definitely use a rewrite, only taking the facts out of that unnamed source, and eliminating the first-person pronouns. Elliotbay (talk) 22:36, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Abandon building
The abandoned LEC grounds are well known among Wilsonville youth, should there be more information about the building in its current state? Jwallace (talk) 22:51, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
- Depends on the specific circumstances. Why are they well known? Is it a makeout place, etc.? —EncMstr (talk) 05:36, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
- This link is a good example of what Jonmon6691 mentions, but this was removed for some reason. http://www.yourghoststories.com/real-ghost-story.php?story=7682 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.237.95.173 (talk) 04:10, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- As I stated in the edit summary, it was removed per WP:EL. That is, the link fails Wikipedia guidelines for external links, specifically WP:ELNO. The story, which is interesting, is about a possible ghost in the tunnels between the former Callahan Training Center/LEC and the former hospital, and does not provide content which would "provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a Featured article." It is self published, basically a blog. And it is off-topic to the church. I would support coverage about the abandoned building in an article about the building (e.g. Callahan Training Center) and its decay/vandalism and even mentions of ghost hunting, provided it is all sourced to reliable sources. But this article is about the church, that if I recall from the article, existed before they purchased the site and existed after leaving it, and the focus should remain on the church, not the building. The brief mention/quote near the end I think is sufficient for this article. Aboutmovies (talk) 04:55, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- Just removed from the main page. This page sort of backs up the original claim in this section that the former LEC Wilsonville campus attracts attention: http://www.strangeusa.com/ViewLocation.aspx?LocationId=59231&Action=Reply&CommentID=39174 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.237.95.173 (talk) 06:40, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- As I stated in the edit summary, it was removed per WP:EL. That is, the link fails Wikipedia guidelines for external links, specifically WP:ELNO. The story, which is interesting, is about a possible ghost in the tunnels between the former Callahan Training Center/LEC and the former hospital, and does not provide content which would "provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a Featured article." It is self published, basically a blog. And it is off-topic to the church. I would support coverage about the abandoned building in an article about the building (e.g. Callahan Training Center) and its decay/vandalism and even mentions of ghost hunting, provided it is all sourced to reliable sources. But this article is about the church, that if I recall from the article, existed before they purchased the site and existed after leaving it, and the focus should remain on the church, not the building. The brief mention/quote near the end I think is sufficient for this article. Aboutmovies (talk) 04:55, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
- This link is a good example of what Jonmon6691 mentions, but this was removed for some reason. http://www.yourghoststories.com/real-ghost-story.php?story=7682 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.237.95.173 (talk) 04:10, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Mary Manin Morrissey and Rev. Robert Figley
Mary Morrissey posted the following open letter at the Unity of Corvallis website regarding the LEC financial scandal. In this letter she refers to meeting with a minister named Robert Figley. http://www.unityofcorvallis.org/An_Open_Letter_from_Mary_Morrissey.pdf
Should a link to Robert Figley's Yahoo groups be included in this article? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spiritualworldrefugees http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rev_rob_figley_swinging_minister/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.237.95.173 (talk) 07:22, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
- I haven't read the entire LEC article here, and I haven't read much of it in more than a year, but Figley doesn't seem to have been involved in the LEC, and the mention in the "open letter" is purely a trivial mention of the guy. It looked like she talked more about some Bellevue church than Figley. And as to the yahoo groups, no, not ever, see WP:ELNO #10. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:50, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
- According to the "open letter" posted on the Unity of Corvallis website, Figley opened a dialogue between Mary Manin Morrissey and former members of Living Enrichment Center. On Figley's website it says "Rev. Rob is a former student of the Living Enrichment Center." So he was obviously involved. http://www.redraccoon1.com/revfigley.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.237.95.173 (talk) 09:27, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
- Again, not sure what this has to do with the LEC. "Student" means he was likely a member of the church, and we are not going to add profiles and "where are they now" VH1 specials on every single person who was a member, or even if they were a member of middle management. Basically, if they made the mainstream media (not blogs, not church websites, not a chain mail email) back when the church was going on, then, OK, we might add a sentence or two about the person. Otherwise, there are problems with WP:NPOV, specifically WP:UNDUE. And don't add links question people's sexual habits/lifestyles that come from blogs or anything that fails Wikipedia's guidelines on reliable sources or biographies of living people. Aboutmovies (talk) 04:03, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
- According to the "open letter" posted on the Unity of Corvallis website, Figley opened a dialogue between Mary Manin Morrissey and former members of Living Enrichment Center. On Figley's website it says "Rev. Rob is a former student of the Living Enrichment Center." So he was obviously involved. http://www.redraccoon1.com/revfigley.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.237.95.173 (talk) 09:27, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Links
A few links to article mentioning LEC that may be of use for the article at later date.
http://www.bulletinsfromaloha.org/thebarcenter/2007/2/7/the-new-oregon-state-bar-center.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.237.95.173 (talk) 11:33, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
http://healing.about.com/cs/spirituality/a/uc_labyrinth.htm
http://www.yourghoststories.com/real-ghost-story.php?story=7700
http://douglaslowell.wordpress.com/2009/11/01/the-dead-church/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.237.95.173 (talk) 11:57, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
- http://www.strangeusa.com/ViewLocation.aspx?locationid=8176 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.31.36 (talk) 14:28, 30 December 2009 (UTC)