Talk:List of wars involving Luxembourg

Belligerents

What is the point of excluding Luxembourg from the "Belligerents" columns of this table? This makes it impossible to divine which side Luxembourg fought on. —Psychonaut (talk) 15:13, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Where did countries in Korean war go

I think USA,UK,Turkey and ohter countries just joined Korean war. Sstwoly (talk) 10:49, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Luxembourg rebellions

@The Banner and LuxembourgLover: regarding this edit, The Banner has a point that these were not "wars" if we must strictly define a "war" as an armed military conflict in which people are killed. As far as I can tell, the Luxembourg rebellions did not result in any deaths. Nevertheless, these were most definitely armed military conflicts, with Luxembourgish soldiers even temporarily occupying the houses of Parliament, before being driven out by foreign troops from France.

Now, does that constitute a "war" under international law? As we all know, we do not need formal declaration of war. Most wars probably began without one. I think I've never seen any formal declaration of war in my lifetime, and yet dozens of wars have broken out regardless. The French and American troops in Luxembourg were foreign, and though they were greeted by many civilians as liberators from the German occupation (which had already ended), it is questionable whether they were allowed to be on Luxembourgish soil, or were violating sovereign Luxembourgish territory. The Grand Duchess of Luxembourg and her government had been pro-German (or were alleged to be) throughout the war, and did not approve the Franco-American occupation that followed the German withdrawal of 22 November 1918.

The question is then whether the proclamation of the Republic of Luxembourg by Parliament was legitimate, and thus whether French military interference constituted a military violation of the democratically elected will of the Luxembourgish people to be a republic, by forcing them to remain a monarchy - albeit under the sister of the former pro-German grand duchess. From a legal point of view, this is all very murky.

But I would favour the inclusion of these conflicts in the list, as they were definitely military armed conflicts. If the Kettle War of 1784 counts as a "war" and is categorised as a "war", then surely the Luxembourg rebellions do, too. I do not buy the argument that this was just "internal turmoil"; the military intervention of the French army was crucial in shaping the outcome of events here. Otherwise, Luxembourg would likely had become / remained a republic, or joined with Belgium. Even without French military intervention, the armed military confrontation between the communists and the government, and later the conflict between the grand ducal monarchy and the pro-Belgian republican Luxembourgish military, is sufficient to be labelled an intrastate military armed conflict.

Although "war" is not what we would normally call this, we wouldn't normally call an incident like the Kettle War a "war" either; that only stuck as a name in historiography, and is now treated as if it really was a war. NLeeuw (talk) 04:31, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

In the Kettle War at least one shot was fired. As far as I know, that did not even happen during the Luxembourg rebellions. The Banner talk 08:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree that we should include the rebellion on the list. The original reason I created the article was because I noticed the rebellion was already listed. However, there are several issues I've encountered during my research. For instance, should we categorize this as an engagement involving the Luxembourg Armed Forces and the Grand Ducal Gendarmerie? Additionally, where exactly were people injured? Given that 100 soldiers stormed a legislative hall with over 50 politicians and probably a few guards, was there any physical confrontation or at least some punches thrown? This event is poorly documented in the US, with only a few newspapers reporting that it lasted six hours (while the Dutch Wikipedia states it lasted six days). Therefore, more research is needed, but it could at least be on the list.

I want to just email the Luxembourg museum and ask them. LuxembourgLover (talk) 15:31, 8 June 2024 (UTC)