Talk:List of urbanized areas in Florida (by population)

Possible error in Melbourne-Palm Bay-Titusville Statistical Area

There is a possible error, or at least room for misunderstanding, in the statistics presented by the government in footnote 2. Palm Bay and Melbourne are listed separately. Titusville is listed separately. PB & Melbourne have census just under 100k each. But the figure is much higher than that in the government listing which should include areas "in between" Melbourne and Titusville. But why is Titusville listed separately anyway since they are supposed to be part of the MSA? Student7 (talk) 17:19, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

This is a list of 'urbanized areas' which are almost always smaller than MSAs. An urbanized area is always in an MSA, and every MSA has at least one 'urbanized area', but an MSA may have more than one 'urbanized area'. As the article states, part of the definiton of an 'urbanized area is that it "consists of contiguous territory having a density of at least 1,000 persons per square mile". What that means is that any census tracts lying between Titusville and Melbourne that do not have have a population density of at least 1,000 persons per square mile breaks the 'contiguous' part of the definition. Please see the cited sources at http://www.census.gov/population/censusdata/urdef.txt for the Census Bureau's definition of 'urbanized area', and at http://www.census.gov/geo/www/ua/ua_state_corr.txt for a list of 'urbanized areas' as determined by the Census Bureau. I do not understand what you are saying about Melbourne and Palm Bay, however. The list shows a unitary 'Palm Bay-Melbourne' urbanized area. They are not listed separately, presumably because there is a continuous built-up area with a density of 1,000 persons per square mile connecting the two cities. -- Donald Albury 21:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your knowlegeable answer. I was referring to the fact that the census figures on the footnote for Melbourne-Palm Bay (probably including Cocoa Beach, etc) were being used in the article for Melbourne-Titusville-Palm Bay statistical area though there is no indication in the footnoted article that Titusville was included. In fact, there is a separate entry for Titusville leading the casual reader to conclude that the count wasn't included in the MSA. This may have led the prior editor to try to "correct" that by adding in Titusville (okay, the figure was higher. I don't really know where s/he got the figures). Student7 (talk) 21:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I just noticed yesterday that someone had substituted the population figure for the whole MSA in place of the figure for the urban area. I'm thinking about pulling in some maps of the urban areas like this one, Image:Miamiurban.gif, that I added to the South Florida metropolitan area. The downside would be the amount of white space that might create. -- Donald Albury 22:27, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. I did not realize there was a difference between MSAs and urbanized areas. I will now shut up! Student7 (talk) 02:14, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

tampa

Tampa - St. Petersburg Urbanized Area - 2,062,339 (Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, Florida Metropolitan Statistical Area Map of Tampa-St. Petersburg Urbanized Area —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.127.151.95 (talk) 16:06, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

MSAs and UZAs

I personally feel that there should be a separate article on Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA). It doesn't make sense to list the MSAs within each Urbanized area (UZA). If anything it should be the other way around: the main article should be on MSAs. UZAs, since there are oftentimes multiple UZAs within each MSA, listed underneath the MSAs.

My argument would be to separate the two articles completely. I think it is confusing to show maps of MSAs for each UZA. Also, these MSA maps are now very outdated. I can make and upload some current maps, but in the meantime I've left the maps that I found there. Consider removing them completely. Again, consider making a separate article for MSAs in Florida. -- Domenico Pontoriero 21:13, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by DPontoriero (talk • contribs) 16:16, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

You could be right.

It seems to me that having an alphabetized list here and an MSA list here by population is confusing and unnecessary. I would rather see one list, biggest first or alphabetical. Student7 (talk) 22:34, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Out of date

Hey y'all, this page is now outdated by 3 years, since the 2020 Census added, amended, and renamed some urbanized areas. I don't know if I'll be able to find the maps for all of them, but I can go through the list and update what we have I think. -Navarre0107 (talk) 18:40, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

That would be great, if you can find them. I know I have recently had trouble finding some things for 2020 and later on the Census Bureau site. Donald Albury 21:04, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

In fact, I see that the map for the Miami urbanized area currently in use is the one from 2000 that I uploaded in 2006. I vaguely remember looking for a map for 2010, but not finding one. It has been a long time since I looked. I would offer to help, but I have a bad cold right now, and am not functioning at speed. - Donald Albury 21:10, 3 March 2023 (UTC)