Talk:List of titles and honours of Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh

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Unidentified ribbon worn by Prince Philip

Can someone identify the pale blue ribbon worn by Prince Philip in the bottom row, 2nd from the left (3rd from the right) in the photo shown here? It looks like it might be that of a Knight of the (Danish) Order of the Elephant, but that its not the only award that he has received with a lightish blue ribbon and the resolution in this sample is not good enough for a positive identification. I have positive identification for the remaining ribbons. Cheers AusTerrapin (talk) 20:00, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Title after 1957

When HRH became a Prince of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in 1957, surely that did not change his offical style did it? Ever since 1947, and to this day, he is known as HRH The Duke of Edinburgh, without reference to his Christian name, just like all Royal Dukes. That is to say, the addition of "The Prince" before his name only altered the full form of his title and made it correct for him to be called "Prince Philip", as the media is wont to do, but which would otherwise have been inaccurate. So instead of noting the 1957 addition by creating a separate entry in his list of titles in such a way that the 1957 onward title given no longer represents the official way of addressing him (which seems to govern how titles are listed on Wikipedia), would it not be better to leave it at the entry from 1947? i.e. His Royal Highness The Duke of Edinburgh. It could be more fully explained below that while the style HRH The Duke of Edinburgh has always been official, the dignity of Prince of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland was acquired in 1957. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GiovanniCarestini (talk • contribs) 13:17, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Most Excellent

In the long form of the title ought not there to be the words "Most Excellent"? I'm guessing that it ought to read:

"Grand Master and First and Principal Knight Grand Cross of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire"

That is at any rate how the Order of the British Empire used to be referred to in formal contexts, and though this usage is now uncommon it has as far as I know never been officially changed. Does anyone know about this? I'd be very grateful for any information. Tillander 05:55, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Since the Wikipedia article on the Order of the British Empire now uses this language I've made this change. Tillander 21:18, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

More About the Ceremonial Title

It also occurs to me that the title in its most formal form should read "His Royal Highness, The Most High, Most Mighty, and Illustrious Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh," etc. Is this style not correct for royal dukes? Tillander 06:46, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Garter Principal King of Arms also said: "...the late most high, most mighty and Illustrious Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh...", during the funeral service. However, the wording in the official order of service on the royal.uk website and in the reference on this page to the SKY article use "...the late most Illustrious and most Exalted Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh...". The full style section on this page is correct as printed in the order of service but it isn't what was said so I think it merits a note Alleleator (talk) 12:07, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Prince Consort

He is a prince and he is a consort, but I can find no evidence that he has ever been given the title "Prince Consort". As far as I know the only person to whom this title was ever given was Prince Albert, the husband of Queen Victoria. Accordingly I've removed this title in the article, but I'd be happy to see it restored if suitable evidence can be found. Tillander 21:21, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Coronation Medal

Did the Duke attend King George VI's Coronation (he would have been 16, and as the King's second cousin it would be possible), or was this given to him on his marriage to Elizabeth. Does anyone know why? It seems odd to give a medal to someone a decade after the event takes place. 19:45, 27 April 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.69.121.132 (talk)

Title in full wrong? (Greenwich)

I guess the Greenwich title is wrong. If I am right it is: Baron Greenwich, of Greenwich in the County of London because there is the other one in the County of Kent for Baroness Caroline Townsend!?! VINCENZO1492 12:25, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

No, the title is correct. You are incorrect. Let me explain: Baron Greenwich is the title, but a territorial designation is often added to the main peerage title (especially with the ranks Baron and Viscount). Any designation after the comma does not form a part of the main title. Furthermore: "Baron Greenwich, in the County of Kent", was the first creation and became extinct in 1743. The second and current creation is "Baron Greenwich, of Greenwich in the County of London", which is of course extant. So, there are no two Barons Greenwich. Dr. D.E. Mophon 14:19, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, sounds logic but how does your explanation fits with A) Prince_Philip,_Duke_of_Edinburgh#Marriage: and on the morning of the wedding, 20 November 1947, he was made the Duke of Edinburgh, Earl of Merioneth, and Baron Greenwich of Greenwich in the County of London and B) the announcement in 1947 - London Gazette published: by the name, style and title of Baron Greenwich, of Greenwich in the County of London, Earl of Merioneth, and Duke of Edinburgh? Is there any source explaining how the titles are used? VINCENZO1492 11:15, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

AK and AC ribbons?

I'm not privy to how things are done in Australia but surely now he is an AK that replaces the AC (regardless of them being in two different divisions)? --Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 10:03, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

• Someone has corrected. --Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 12:11, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Whilst that might appear to be logical, it is not always the case. It is particularly logical since one is appointed with 'membership in the Order' rather than 'receiving an award' (contrary to the uninformed descriptions of most journalists) and Member/Officer/Companion/Knight/Dame refers to the grade at which membership is held. In the case of the Order of Australia, the critical aspect is that one is appointed with membership in a Division (General or Military) of the Order and one can hold concurrent membership in both Divisions. According to the Ordinance and Designation and Insignia Ordinance of the Order of Australia, whilst promotions within the General Division or the Military Division supersede the previous appointment/award in that Division, appointments/awards in the other Division are independent and the individual is entitled to wear the insignia and use the postnominals of both (with an explanatory parenthesis for the junior appointment). In Prince Philip's case, his previous appointment was as a Companion in the Military Division, his creation as a Knight is in the General Division (Knights/Dames are only created in the General Division of the Order of Australia - there is no provision for this level in the Military Division) and thus he is entitled to wear both insignia and to use both postnominals ie 'AK, AC(Mil)'. What is less clear is whether he will do so in practice. AusTerrapin (talk) 17:33, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Capitalisation in style

There has recently been some conjecture between editors of this article as to whether the correct form of Prince Philip's style is with the definite article capitalised 'HRH The Prince Philip...' or not 'HRH the Prince Philip...'. This article has been stable on the capitalised form for several years and is consistent with MOS:JOBTITLES; changing it away from this requires consensus. Notwithstanding, it should be noted that:

• The contemporary official announcement in the "No. 41009". The London Gazette. 22 February 1957. reads 'The QUEEN has been pleased to declare her will and pleasure that His Royal Highness the Duke of Edinburgh shall henceforth be known as His Royal Highness The Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh.'
• As at 02 February 2015, the website of the British Monarchy advises that 'The Duke’s full title is HRH The Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, Earl of Merioneth and Baron Greenwich, KG (Knight of the Garter), KT (Knight of the Thistle), OM (Order of Merit), GBE (Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the British Empire), AC (Companion of the Order of Australia), QSO (Companion of The Queen’s Service Order), PC (Privy Counsellor).' noting that this has not been updated with the announcement of his appointment as a Knight of the Order of Australia on 26 January 2015.
• Debrett's Correct Form, Debrett's, Surrey, 2006 p 80 and - Duke of Edinburgh (accessed 02 February 2015) list his style as 'HRH The Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, KG, KT, OM, GBE, AC, QSO, PC

The only more authoritative source than these three is the original Letters Patent. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Peerage and Baronetage/Archive 8#Capital letters briefly discussed the broader question of capitalisation in titles of nobility but did not specifically discuss Prince Philip's which, as a Royal, have further conventions beyond those used for non-royal peers. Moreover, this discussion did not elicit a clear understanding of the conventions that applied to any of the titles of nobility and a formal WP:MOS policy which explicitly overrides authoritative sources has not been established as yet (or not one that I have been able to find). AusTerrapin (talk) 17:16, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Let's be clear: we're looking for the correct form within Wikipedia. Though what's done outside this project can be factored into decisions on what to do in this project, Wikipedia doesn't have to follow outside practices.

On that note, what MOS:JOBTITLES actually insinuates is that the definite article shouldn't be capitalised. It shows "the Queen", not "The Queen". In an article's coverage of info about Philip, he would be referred to as "the Prince", not "The Prince". However, MOS:JOBTITLES doesn't explicitly say what to do with full formal titles.

You've already pointed to the earlier discussion that took place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Peerage and Baronetage. However, there was no determination that a royal peer is to be treated differently than a non-royal peer. Hence, other royal peers also don't, on their bios, have a capitalised definite article before the definite article in their peerage title. (And, indeed, Philip is also referred to in Wikipedia as "the Duke", not "The Duke".) --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 02:09, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

He has a new honour

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/the-queen-and-duke-of-edinburgh-receive-long-service-and-good-conduct-medals

How to add this?

BSc600 (talk) 13:25, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

one more

In 1975 he also received the highest distinction of the Scout Association of Japan, the Golden Pheasant Award. However, I am uncertain where to properly nest it.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:31, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

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Title before 1957

event though he is created Prince of UK 1957, Gazette dated 09-11-1948 refers his as "His Royal highness Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh" Chamika1990 (talk) 18:11, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

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Full Style

A recent edit changed the full style shouldn't the style used before his death also be included?–Collinanderson (talk) 11:04, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

External link change

I've updated the reference in 'Full Style' from a news source to the official source Alleleator (talk) 13:15, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

HRH on 19 November?

The sections Royal and noble titles and styles and Royal styles and titles 1947 state that he was granted the style His Royal Highness on 19 November and was made Duke of Edinburgh on 20 November. However, the reference for this is a page in The London Gazette that lists both honours as happening on 20 November. Is there a reference to support the 19 November date? --Mgp28 (talk) 15:01, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Nope, I had misread it -- I see that it was 19 November. --Mgp28 (talk) 15:13, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

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"Grandfather of the nation"

I doubt that a one-time use of an epiteth is enough to create a "title", be it official or unofficial. To me it sounds like a joke and I would suggest to delete it. Oudeístalk 17:49, 7 May 2023 (UTC)