Talk:List of the burgraves of Meissen

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Inclusion of Frederick I of Wettin contradictory edit

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The introduction states that the first mention of a Burgrave of Meissen is 1068. However, Frederick, who died almost 50 years before this, is listed in the "List of verifiable Burgraves."--Masque (talk) 18:08, 1 October 2019 (UTC)Reply

Not quite, it says that the first mention of the Burgraviate was in 1068, but it is entirely possible that it existed before that date, something that the earlier records of burgraves of Meissen would testify to. Bermicourt (talk) 19:39, 1 October 2019 (UTC)Reply

It says that the first mention of the Burgraviate was Henry IV installing a Burgrave. This implies that there were no references to Burgraves of Meissen prior to this, as one cannot have a Burgraviate without a Burgrave. I looked at the German Wikipedia article on the de:Albrechtsburg, which was the seat of the Burgraviate, and it states that "der erste urkundlich erwähnte Burggraf namens Burchard war 1069 von Heinrich IV. eingesetzt worden;" "the first documented burgrave named Burchard was appointed by Henry IV in 1069."--Masque (talk) 15:24, 6 October 2019 (UTC)Reply

I've added the note from German Wikipedia about Frederick. My reading of this is that the King appointed burgraves to assert their royal claim over territory in or around Meissen. Prior to 1068, it appears that Frederick was appointed twice as a 'temporary' burgrave during some sort of emergency, perhaps to establish a power base for the King perhaps during a dispute with the Bishop of Meissen. In 1068, he decided to establish this permanently. Moreover, the temporary appointment of Frederick is mentioned at the respective article in de.wiki together with a source for it. So I don't see this as an inconsistency. Frankly the only way to get to bottom of it is to get hold of the sources used for the article and see what they are saying, especially Pätzold. Meanwhile I've translated the Frederick article. Bermicourt (talk) 16:23, 6 October 2019 (UTC)Reply

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