Talk:List of special routes of the United States Numbered Highway System/Archive 1

Archive 1

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I wonder about the utility of this list? As cool as it would be to have a list of all the "Business US xxx" highways, it's going to be unwieldy and subject to constant error. Remember, the U.S. Highway system is not as tightly controlled as the Interstate Highway system. Each state is free to do bizarre things with their US highway designations, from "business", "city" and "truck" routes to things like "Scenic US 412" in Oklahoma.

I would recommend that lists of bannered and suffixed US routes be included on the US route's page. How does that sound? --Robertb-dc 17:42, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Actually, in theory, and usually in practice, AASHTO has to approve them all. The vast majority are signed by the state. [1] has a list of most of them (as well as some that were probably never signed). I do recommend putting them on the individual pages too, but it seems useful to have a central repository. --SPUI (talk) 17:55, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I know that US 1A goes through Boston, MA. It currently states that it stops at the RI/MA state line. I am not sure how far north of Boston 1A goes. I was wondering if anyone had any information on that and could correct the error in the article. --Mjp797 14:25, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

That is Massachusetts Route 1A. It is not an error. --SPUI (talk) 14:53, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Seperate Articles

The introduction has grown. Should there be a seperate article titled "Bannered U.S. Highways" seperate from the list or is there enough material to cover this? I have added a little about the change in terminology, but put it here. Rt66lt 00:19, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

Description of Truck US 98 in Brooksville, Florida

I've got some problems with my proposed page for U.S. Route 98 Truck (Brooksville, Florida). Should I describe it from southeast to northwest, or vice versa? My reason for asking is that in much of Florida, US 98 is a north-south road, and was designated as such in the 21st Century, despite the fact that it's an even-numbered highway. However the truck weigh station is near the northbound terminus, formerly the westbound terminus. DanTD 16:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I am a bit confused here, when you refer to US 98, are you referring to the truck route or the parent route, US 98 is very much a west-east highway as it goes over to Mississippi and is the Gulf Coast highway in the panhandle as it runs west to east, it does travel to the southeast through the peninsula. --Holderca1 11:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Truck 17

There was until about 2004, a truck route 17 that ran through Wilmington, NC. I am not sure whether I should add ti to the page or not. --Anidnmeno 12:38, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead, defunct routes go in italics. --Holderca1 11:19, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Bannered/Auxiliary/Special

There is a discussion on the RENAMING at WT:USRD. Please go there if you wish to comment.--Triadian (talk) 05:29, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Requested move 21 December 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: MOVED. (non-admin closure) There is consensus to move this article, but there should be broader discussion before the other, similarly-named articles are moved. KSFT^C 18:31, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

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List of bannered U.S. Routes → List of special routes of the United States Numbered Highway System – This title would remove the neologistically-ambiguous term "bannered route" and make clear that they are a part of the U.S. Numbered Highway System. Yes, the proposed title is verbose, but I think that helps narrow the scope for someone who is not familiar with numbered highways in the United States. –Fredddie™ 20:27, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

• Support—although I'd name it "... routes of the United States...", but that's a minor quibble
  Additionally, should this pass, I would support moving all of the various lists named "Bannered routes of..." to eliminate the roadgeek neologism from our titles. Imzadi 1979 → 21:35, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
• I am not sure about this. "Special" is also ambiguous. BTW, this should be advertised on WT:USRD since that could affect more than just this article. --Rschen7754 01:38, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
  • It will be picked up by Article Alerts soon enough, that's why we started using it. –Fredddie™ 01:47, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
• Comment: There was a discussion about Bannered/Alternate/Special nomenclature in the talk archives in 2008: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Archive 14#The Special/Auxiliary/Bannered Route Discussion. If this discussion will affect the title of more than just this article, we should discuss this on the project talk page rather than on this article talk page.  VC  02:41, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
• Support move, though I agree with Imzadi1979 that it should be "of". We should use "special routes" since that's what what AASHTO officially calls Alternate, Business, Truck, etc. routes. "Bannered routes" is a neologism and it should be noted not all special routes are designated with banners as some of them are designated with suffixes (such as "A" for some alternate routes). I would also extend this move to all the bannered route lists such as Bannered routes of U.S. Route 13, moving them to titles like Special routes of U.S. Route 13. Dough4872 15:15, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
• Support (with "of", as others have noted). ╠╣uw [talk] 12:16, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Changed to 'of' per building consensus. –Fredddie™ 22:34, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose - Honestly, what is it about them that makes them so "special?" Would this mean we'd include suffixed routes too, like US 19E, US 19W, NY 27A, etcetera? ---------User:DanTD (talk) 03:52, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

  Honestly, it's what AASHTO and our capstone article already calls them. Suffixed routes are already included (just look at the list under US 1); however the E/W and N/S are split routes, not special routes. And NY 27A would not be included because of scope. –Fredddie™ 19:09, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

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Format of this list

I would like some input on what the format of this list should be. Currently, routes are listed in geographic order, with no respect to special route type or commission status. Should we use the {{Routelist row}} series or templates or should we maintain the bulleted list? If we keep the bulleted list, should we split the list by special route type? Your input is welcomed. –Fredddie™ 00:44, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

I would like to be able to sort the list by state, route number, type of route, and status of existence—and do so using the Routelist templates. But I do not think the Routelist templates are versatile enough to do all four of those. But using the Routelist templates would be better than the current situation.  VC  03:20, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

No matter what is done, will it make the page less of a load bear? It takes so long to load that I try to avoid using it sometimes because of this. Charlotte Allison (Morriswa) (talk) 03:36, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Great point! The page is already 230K, and adding templates and accompanying information like dates and endpoints is going to expand the size significantly. So we should consider ways to distribute the load among multiple pages, such as only having a list of links to all of the Special routes of U.S. Route X pages.  VC  04:06, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Could a navbox serve that purpose? Do we want to go down that route? –Fredddie™ 04:16, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Are you referring to a navbox at the bottom of every article titled something like Special routes of the U.S. Highway System with links to the Special routes of U.S. Route X article? That could work, but then what would the purpose be of this article?  VC  01:22, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

One one hand, I could see us splitting this into a Alternate routes of the United States Numbered Highway System, et al. series of sublists, but then it would be hard to compare the various types for a specific parent. I think that maybe we need a simplified table template that has fewer columns, or we can stick with the bulleted list. Imzadi 1979 → 03:01, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

I created a mock-up of a navbox solution for Special routes of U.S. Route 1 this weekend. Each U.S. Highway would have a manually created navbox in this article. If we really wanted to, we could create official templates out of each navbox. I also suggest we ensure every state's List of U.S. Highways in State has a routelist table with all of the special routes in that state. I created the mock-up for Special routes of U.S. Route 1. There are sections for each type of special route—the eight listed in the infobox in this article in alphabetical order, and any compound types in alphabetical order. Within each section, the routes are ordered from one end to the other. Former special routes are italicized.

One unresolved issue is what to do with instances of U.S. Route 1A. Should those be considered a separate type of special route? Or should they be considered an alternate route? If the latter, should we differentiate them somehow, such as using asterisks and a footnote? I treated the U.S. Routes 1A as alternate routes in the mock-up.  VC  23:54, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

I like the format of this. Will it make the page less of a loading issue? Charlotte Allison (Morriswa) (talk) 01:14, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

When I suggested a navbox, I meant placing the {{Main|Special routes of U.S. Route 1}} into the navbox. I admit I wasn't very clear when I said that. –Fredddie™ 01:22, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I am still confused at what you are suggesting. Can you clarify or provide a mock-up?  VC  03:01, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Split request

Routes of Primary and auxillary routes shall become seprate articles 2600:1700:6180:6290:28B0:221A:EFC0:6E5B (talk) 13:48, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Per AASHTO definitions, the auxiliary routes in this system are special routes. All mainline US Highways are primary, whether they have two or three digits in the number. Imzadi 1979 → 18:19, 31 July 2022 (UTC)