Talk:List of socialist parties

Nazi party

Am I the only one who objects seriously to the various Socialist Workers Parties being lumped in with the National Socialist (i.e. Nazi) Parties in this page? Or, for that matter, Nazi parties being included at all, since they bear no resemblance to the ideology that is commonly classed as socialist? I suggest that this page be split into seperate Socialist and National Socialist pages. It is highly unlikely that anyone searching for National Socialism will begin by looking at a page entitled "Socialist Party"86.0.203.120 (talk) 03:05, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

France

I see that the French Section of the Workers' International is not listed here - it was the main French socialist party until it changed its name to the PS in the 60s or 70s, and was generally known as the "Socialist Party" or the "Socialists" in everyday speech. I'd just add it, but given the organization, I'm not sure where. john k (talk) 06:42, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup

I did some cleanup, and the page is serviceable, but each rubric appears to be on the longish side. Probably this page should be split into its constituen parts, but I'm not the one to do it right now. Thus I am leaving the Cleanup tag, and maybe somebody else will want to tackle the project. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 01:11, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Requested move 11 March 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Rough consensus to move, on the basis that this is a list and not a disambiguation page.

However, there is no consensus as to what should be included in the list; editors are encouraged to cooperate to determine this. Given this lack of consensus, I have not updated the lede of the article. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 15:44, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

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Socialist Party (disambiguation) → List of socialist parties – This is not really a disambiguation page: it does not solely list articles that might otherwise be known as "Socialist Party". List of socialist parties is currently a redirect: I suggest this page is moved over that redirect, and the rssuilting article has a hatnote to List of left-wing political parties. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:41, 11 March 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 15:55, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

• Rambling thoughts I suppose there's a wider question about what this article should be. The issue with "List of socialist parties" is that it'll have to be restructured to include parties with very different names to "the Socialist Party" (for example, how many "Labour Party"s will be added? Do we include communist parties?). Similarly, OP makes the point that there are parties here that don't have the exact name "the Socialist Party", so if we retain it as a disambig they should be removed. Finally, List of socialist parties currently redirects to List of left-wing political parties, which is an ill-fitting RDR as being left-wing doesn't inherently make a party socialist; if this is kept as a disambig, there might be room for a new article there. (As long as we're willing to put up with WP:IDWAR edit warring about whether or not a party is socialist...) — Czello 10:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
• comment wow this is a mess, how about: merge Socialist Party (disambiguation) and Socialist Party at List of socialist parties not redirected, and redirect Socialist Party to socialism—blindlynx 16:41, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

  Agree, but Socialist Party should redirect to List of socialist parties. :3 F4U (talk) 14:29, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  that works too, i suspect that Socialist Party is one of those weird topics that should have it own article but doesn't really have enough content to not me a stub—blindlynx 15:04, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. There may be scope for some of the alternative proposal for restructuring this corner of the encyclopedia, but until such big changes are implemented, the dab page is fine where it is. It lists parties that are either "Xian Socialist Party" or "Socialist Party of Y", so it's very likely that each of them, in its context, will be commonly referred to as just the socialist party (so the entries are valid as far as MOS:DAB is concerned). And as pointed out already, a title like List of socialist parties would require expansion with a potentially large number of socialist parties that follow different naming patterns. – Uanfala (talk) 14:24, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

  How do you feel about merging this whole mess into one list?—blindlynx 15:24, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

  Unsure. Will not oppose though. – Uanfala (talk) 16:11, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: No current consensus for any option; relisting to give time for additional discussion BilledMammal (talk) 15:55, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

• Leaning support. This seems similar to the "Louisville Zoo" example described at WP:PARTIAL. In the same way that it seems unlikely a reader would type in just "Zoo" when searching for information about the Louisville Zoo, it seems unlikely a reader would type just "Socialist Party" when looking for, say, Workers Socialist Party of Bolivia. So, per WP:PARTIAL a list article seems more appropriate than a dab. I agree that the inclusion criteria could be tricky, but it looks like similar concepts have been done already, in Category:Lists of political parties by ideology. Colin M (talk) 18:01, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

  Yeah, Workers Socialist Party of Bolivia does look analogous to the zoo example, but not all the others fall in the same bucket: Socialist Party (England and Wales), for example, or Socialist Party (France) are known as just "Socialist Party": the bits in parentheses are Wikipedia disambiguators, not parts of their names. – Uanfala (talk) 19:18, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

  I agree that there should also be a dab page for exact title matches, but it seems to me like the set index article at the basename is the closest thing to that that currently exists. Colin M (talk) 20:13, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

  Looking at that list, I think that's a strange arrangement: the main article also disambiguates the term, while the actual dab page duplicates that, with the addition of a bunch of other parties with the name without, however, attempting to be exhaustive. A more normal state of affairs would be for the article Socialist Party to contain a list of such parties (regardless of their names), while the dab page should then only list the ones that are known under that name. – Uanfala (talk) 11:25, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support - This is not, as has been already stated, properly a disambiguation page. Primergrey (talk) 04:56, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Post closure discussion

Per the closer, there is still discussion to be had. Perhaps this should be a Set Index for parties that can be referred to as "Socialist Party" and then be called List of parties referred to as the Socialist Party, since as it is currently is isn't a list of socialist parties. -- 65.92.244.249 (talk) 23:21, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:List of socialist parties with national parliamentary representation which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 15:47, 28 March 2023 (UTC)