Talk:List of shipwrecks in 1800

Problems

Mjroots--If you believe that these lists are in a useful format then they had best be eliminated as they are currently a mash of facts without any way to determine something unless one goes through the entire article that the mere amount of typos to be found show that either they get little traffic or so much texts eliminates the opportunity for people to read out typos. Also, I guess depending who and at what point something was inputted what is and the style of what is linked is not consistent so if someone doers add more information then how are they to determine as it is to be done in any other WP article that something fits into that article's arrangement. Reverting merely because you do not want to read and understand changes or do not want changes made without your effort of pre-approval is not the point of WP. As far as I understand, "List of shipwrecks in ....." is not preceeded by "Mjroots' ......". So are you going to be accepting of making these lists useful with a predictable arrangement so that they can be maintained with each new addition, clarification or edit? If not then the WP goal of long lasting articles has pass by like a ship in the dark.66.74.176.59 (talk) 21:27, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

@66.74.176.59: I've already explained my reasoning behind the linking at another list talk page. I do accept that I don't own the lists, but in creating these lists, I've merely followed the format established before I started editing Wikipedia 9½ years ago. Barring flaglinks, major countries that are essentially the same as today are not linked. Historic countries, first level subdivisions thereof and places are linked. There should be one link per date, with further mentions unlinked. I appreciate that where there are many entries against a date this sometimes gets overlooked, but it is not a big deal.

The lists are in a predictable order - chronological, then alphabetical. I see no other way of doing it, but am always willing to hear suggestions. Mjroots (talk) 22:33, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

One of the problems with policies is that things change over time. It may appear that the lists are in an order but that order is not universal in as many respects as is now being encountered. If it is not policy to link the first mention of a place in the list then when additions are made there is no predictable less time consuming way for people to determine if there needs to be made a change of what should be linked. So when say Dublin is mentioned in December 30 but then an addition is made for April 1 there is no quick way even with "find" to determine if something has already been linked or needs to supersede an existing link. That way when someone contributes they can do a "find" and if it what they contribute appears before the pre-existing link then it would be an appropriate action to move the link and maintain a predictable order of information. That is the arrange/order that is missing from the current style of the articles. Also, it can be borne out that there are many multiple links of the same place name otherwise the counts that I have encountered would not be so high. Also, it may appear that at the time whatever policy was "established" did not account for the possibility of presenting information in way that expects everyone to have the same weltanschauung and thus understand what context there may be for those that are more familiar with a country or region or continent verses those that come across the articles for a specific item. A case in point concerns the Denmark mention. Technically the country was occupied from 1807 until ceded in 1814 when it would be then a recognized possession. It has to be recognized that when one grows up in a place that the article concerns they possess a subconscious knowledge that may guide them through things without additional clarification but when one does not then there needs to be a consideration of that. I do not expect everyone to share my weltanschauung but I do expect to state what is in an article without that prejudice or bias that some people may not recognize because their subconscious does not fully enter their contribution. This to some may be a belabor but WP is suppose to present neutral in its style and yet a centrism may exist. I am confused as to what is "per date"? Is that per article or per day? If it is per day then all that does is make the article cumbersome and presents the idea that multiple links are acceptable as they exist in virtually all the articles. That is what I have fundamentally worked on. That is why the first mention should be the key link. Also, it may be necessary to have a fully expanded place mention in the article for particular places that are not linked since they may previously be so in order to avoid confusion for both a place name and the unaware reader. These articles most purposely serve those that are unfamiliar rather than familiar. And they most likely be reference in relation to a specific mention rather than the article as a "story" that is what can be found in other non-list articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.74.176.59 (talk) 04:26, 12 January 2015 (UTC)