Talk:List of seasonal influenza vaccines

Keep page?

Is there a benefit to keeping this page instead of replacing it with a redirect to the Influenza vaccine page? Whywhenwhohow (talk) 00:21, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the existence of Wikipedia entries on specific brands of products that are generally about encouraging conformity and supporting the existence of authoritarian secretive organisations already seems to be well-accepted, e.g. Coca-cola (the drink, not the company) is in its own article and split off from that article are sub-articles such as Coca-Cola Life. (I didn't realise that - I guess I hadn't searched for sugar+water brands in Wikipedia before...). Of course, someone could start an RFC to propose deleting articles like this as WP:ADVERTising. The counterargument would probably be that as long as the articles are NPOV and not greenwashed or whitewashed, they are part of human knowledge, especially for world-dominating brands or sub-brands such as these. That doesn't directly affect this series of articles: see WP:WHATABOUTX, even though that guideline points out that Plenty of articles exist that probably should not. Personally, I would have nothing against compressing (delete/merge-ing) all the specific coca-cola brand articles into a brief subsection of the coca-cola company article, but even without being paranoid about the COI investment that Coca-cola most likely puts into trying to defend those pages, I'm happy to leave that editorial debate to others.

Back to this article: I think that flu vaccines are of such world-wide importance that having either one article for specific brands, or a series of articles per brand, is probably justified. Right now, I see:

• Fluzone (this article)
• Influvac (stub)
• Vaxigrip (redirect to Influenza vaccine which has no occurrence of the string vaxigrip in it as of 21:11, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
  • VaxigripTetra (no article, not even a redirect)
• Optaflu
• Template:Flu has a few others listed too

These don't have much material, and unless there are controversies (either real concerns or conspiracy theories), WP:SPLITting probably wouldn't be needed any time soon. So I think the real question would be to propose a multi-merge into a single article such as Influenza vaccine brands - which would be reasonably neutral (which is distinct from NPOV). Which I'm going to do in a moment... Boud (talk) 21:11, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Influenza vaccine brands

The proposal is to create a new article Influenza vaccine brands which merges all the specific vaccine brands including:

• Fluzone
• Influvac
• Optaflu and
• Vaxigrip (which presently is a redirect with no information at all),

but leaving Pandemrix separate, since it seems to be notable enough for a separate article; it was specific for the 2009 epidemic and controversial because of a suspected causal link with narcolepsy. This proposal would decrease suspicions that Wikipedia is being used for commercial advertising. Please wait for the emergence of a consensus before creating the new merged article and merging the sub-articles into it. Boud (talk) 22:04, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

@Boud: Agree to create new article about "seasonal influenza vaccine brands". So, we can list other brand/manufacturer that is not mentioned avove. Pandemrix can be separated as it is pandemic flu vaccine. Ckfasdf (talk) 04:03, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

@Ckfasdf: 19 days is plenty for consensus. Especially since the 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak risks leading to lots of people reading articles around this topic, which could lead to confusion by many people and edits that are harder to tidy up.  Done Boud (talk) 23:19, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

@Boud: Thank you, I personally prefer to sort the vaccine brand per "manufacturer". because vaccine manufacturer may have different brand for the same vaccine, for example Sanofi's Fluzone is marketed in the US, while the rest of the world, Sanofi uses Vaxigrip. please also look up here[1] for list of brand. Ckfasdf (talk) 04:16, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

@Ckfasdf: At least three alternatives for a reasonable classification could be: by manufacturer; by type of vaccine; or by country/geographical region. I would tend to go for classification by type as the most encyclopedic, but with the present content of the article, classifying by manufacturer would only require minor editing. Your ref mentions Vaxigrip but not Fluzone. This Canadian reference lists both Vaxigrip and Fluzone; Table 1 page 5 shows that they have at least one minor difference (gelatin sucrose in Fluzone). I'll do a minor edit in the direction of grouping by manufacturer - we can't change too much unless we're willing to also fix links from the other vaccine related pages (infobox and so on).

Someone willing to reorganise the page properly and thoroughly might wish to try the "by type of vaccine" structure, but might wish to check first that nobody (of the few editors likely to be interested) opposes that. Boud (talk) 06:12, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

how about making a table like this [2], i believe it is informative and somewhat encyclopedic. Ckfasdf (talk) 06:23, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

The Australian brands are at https://www.tga.gov.au/alert/2019-seasonal-influenza-vaccines Whywhenwhohow (talk) 19:46, 16 February 2020 (UTC)