Talk:List of schools in Victoria, Australia

Opening heading

The page should say which Victoria the schools are from. Probably even move the page to List of schools in Victoria (Australia) Grey Shadow 13:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at Lists of schools in Australia and you'll see all the other states are done like this one too. Alien- 09:59, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Look at Derrimut Heath Primary School...

In case you haven't noticed, Derrimut Heath Primary School has changed its name to Baden Powell College. It has split into two campuses, Derrimut Heath is now the Derrimut campus, and there is also a campus in Tarneit.

References

References

http://www.derrimut.win.vic.edu.au/

Michael Michael Michaelk (talk) 00:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)Michael Michael Michaelk

list of schools in order of population

Has anyone noticed that this list is quite inaccurate? I'm not sure of any other schools, but Aquinas college has 1500~ students and doesn't even make the list(according to the wikipedia page and my vague memories of attending there... a year ago). Perhaps it's an anamoly... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.63.46.37 (talk) 11:55, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

It certainly is incomplete. I've taught at four currently existing secondary schools. Only two are in the list. The missing ones aren't new, or have any other obvious reason for being left out. What's the point of this article? HiLo48 (talk) 03:42, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Major inaccuracies in the lists

The categories of Catholic Schools, Government Schools etc have huge inaccuracies in them. Multiple government schools appear in the Catholic list. The Catholic list is mostly high schools until you get to the "Saint" section, where many primary schools appear. I suggest dividing into two sections, high school and primary school. I will make an attempt to delete the schools that are in the wrong section.

Heathiecliff (talk) 07:54, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it's pretty bad, but the only way it will improve is by people like you and me fixing what we can. Please just go for it. HiLo48 (talk) 08:08, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Non notable schools

PLease unlink all the redlinked Primary and Middle schools. They will not be having Wikipedia articles. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:38, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

I disagree with this. Please leave a list. The notability criteria is far lower than for an individual article and the title of the current article would have to be changed to list of notable primary schools to avoid being misleading. Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories,_lists,_and_navigation_templates section advantages of a list section 15 "An embedded list, one incorporated into an article on a topic, may include entries which are not sufficiently notable to deserve their own articles, and yet may yet be sufficiently notable to incorporate into the list. Furthermore, since the notability threshold for a mention is less than that for a whole article, you can easily add a mention to a list within an article, without having to make the judgment call on notability which you would need to make if you were to add a whole article—if someone else feels that it is notable enough, they can always linkify the mention and create an article anyway." Wakelamp (talk) 08:42, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Important to keep some structure, all the better if it was cleaned up. Note we don't have "districts" in Australian Education like in the US.FroggyPeterson (talk) 10:02, 16 May 2013 (UTC)Froggy

So are you saying we should delete non notable schools from the list ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wakelamp (talk • contribs) 17:36, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Apologies for my ambiguity - retain the red links, most definitely.FroggyPeterson (talk) 00:29, 18 May 2013 (UTC)Froggy

• There is some misunderstanding here. No one is suggesting removing schools from the list. In compliance with notability and the practice for schools, the redlink square brackets should be removed from the primary schools along with the spam links to their web sites. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:03, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Can someone explain me why Primary Schools in Australia don't qualify for notability while High Schools do qualify? I seem to be getting mixed messages?FroggyPeterson (talk) 13:46, 19 June 2013 (UTC)Froggy

Well, it's actually got nothing to do specifically with schools in Australia. We have a long established precedent here on Wikipedia that is generally followed when calling for notability for schools. Schools enjoy a rare exception from deletion at CSD for example, but this does not automatically confer notability on them. No schools are inherently notable, particularly primary schools. High schools, as major educational institutions (and far less abundant than primary schools), are usually kept if: they are mainstream schools providing education to school leaving age, and are proven to exist. These precedents are fully documented at WP:Outcomes#Schools, and supported by hundreds, if not thousands of redirects and failed AfD. More also at WP:WPSCH/AG.

Redlinking primary schools therefore is of little value because it is unlikely that articles will be created for them that pass notability criteria. Also, inline links to the websites of such schools are really spam links. The purpose of redlinks being generally to prompt the later creation of an article, which here is hence not the case. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:47, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

So in conformity with notability guidelines for schools (which in fact enjoy some exceptions to general notability guidelines) I've started de-redlinking all the ugly red links of primary schools. The red links will never serve as a prompt to create missing articles, because primary schools are not inherently notable and if articles are created for them, they will just be redirected to the list. If someone can come up with a regex to do this more quickly it would be most appreciated. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:55, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Redlinks.

Dear Kudpung, I read in your missive of 28 August 2013, that you have began "de-linking all the ugly red links of primary schools". As put forward by yourself in the past, it is unsightly. I agree, many pages not existing and links straight through to school websites. The concern I have is that, in your "busyness" you seem to have deleted links through to legitimate wikipages (cite: Abbotsford Primary School - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbotsford_Primary_School ) etc etc! Can you confirm that this is your intention throughout the whole list? FroggyFroggyPeterson (talk) 04:29, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes that was deliberate per Wikipedia:Spam#External link spamming. Their presence on the list is sufficient - such lists are not intended to be link farms. If you disagree with this you are welcome to post a message at WT:WPSCH. 05:56, 1 September 2013 (UTC)Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk)

I have a problem with your actions because what you stated you would do and what you have done is different and therefore misleading! This is rather unfortunate because it looks like you have done a lot of work here. Before continuing, can you please restate your proper intentions and the benefits of the outcomes. Thanks FroggyFroggyPeterson (talk) 13:30, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

As I said, if you have a problem with this you are welcome to post a message at WT:WPSCH - they are quick to reply there and I certainly won't hold it against you if they tell me I was wrong. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:42, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

I've done it for you here. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:55, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Very disappointed that you have continued without scoping the project and giving others an idea of the changes that you are making. FroggyFroggyPeterson (talk) 05:11, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Please see the discussion you were pointed to, and consider discussing the article and not the editors (policy). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:07, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

To repeat, you have failed to properly describe the changes you have made correctly, failed to scope the changes in general and botched a number of the sections as a result. What a shame. Froggy — Preceding unsigned comment added by FroggyPeterson (talk • contribs) 10:26, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Removing ugly red links

I'm still having occasional stabs at removing the unsightly red links for all these non notable primary schools. I realise that there are some people who diagree, but the guidelines and precedents are clear - they will not have articles written about them. It would be nice if somone else could help with this work. Any linked primary school pages that are also not notable should be redirected either to this list article or to their locality. When redirecting, please remember to add the {{R from school}} template to the redirect page. Thaks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:13, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Good luck with the changes - someone will repair the damage fully one day.FroggyPeterson (talk) 11:35, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

It was me, not logged in, who re-did the non-government part of the list. I hope to fix up the list more, adding in missing schools, moving/deleting schools in the wrong section, getting rid of redlinks, and so on. Decat2 (talk) 00:11, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

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