Talk:List of reptiles of Great Britain

Non-native species

After a long time away from this page, I am dismayed to see that it has been cut.

Best I can do is refer back to the page "as I left it" at [1].

There is nothing in the concept of lists that says that only native species should be included...and the case for the non-native lizards and snakes is well established (as are they!).

What is the justification for not reinstating these?

—GRM (talk) 14:49, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

I would list them if they are introduced and indicate accordingly - if reliably sourced. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 20:43, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm hoping someone can help me with this...

FIRST: Do we have a definition that Wiki is using for Native, Non-Native and Introduced Species, etc.

SECOND: I think a mistake has been made for a Natrix natrix in the Introduced species section; according to the Sources cited (which are acknowledging the confusion caused by the name changes) the SUB-species that is in Britain is now the Natrix helvetica helvetica not the stated Natrix natrix in the Introduced species. ALSO I think the Source has been misread / misunderstood, surely the author is saying that the OTHER subspecies is Non-Native, he's not actually saying the one in Britain is Non-Native, it's just had it's name changed, which should not affect it's Native status!!! I'll go ahead and remove it if there are no objections: Also on the topic of correct names, shouldn't we be using the Subspecies names not just the less precise Species names? If no objections to this I'll go ahead and update them as well. Bibby (talk) 23:33, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

You are almost certainly right, @Bibby. However, there are other references to the release of subspecies that are still classified as ''N. natrix'' into the UK at various times. Although I know of no colonies per se, the fact that the species will interbreed suggests that animals that are principally ''helvetica'' carrying ''natirx'' genes are almost certainly at large in the UK. I will replace the citation in due course - GRM (talk) 16:29, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

References

Reference for turtles

All the detail you want in here, even gives vagrants/introduced etc.

• Rhodin, Anders G.J.; van Dijk, Peter Paul; Inverson, John B.; Shaffer, H. Bradley; Roger, Bour (2011-12-31). "Turtles of the world, 2011 update: Annotated checklist of taxonomy, synonymy, distribution and conservation status". Chelonian Research Monographs. 5. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2012-01-22.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: date and year (link) CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 20:43, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

3 + 3 ≠ 10 or 11

I think the current opening sentence ("Ten or eleven species of reptiles occur in Great Britain: three snakes and three lizards ...") is confusing. The reader (this reader, in any case) expects ten or eleven species, but is given only six, followed by a vague "number of" introduced species in the following sentence. The article then lists three native snakes, three native lizards, six sea turtles, and six further introduced species. I can't guess which ten or eleven of these are referred to in the opening sentence. Could this be clarified? Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 16:40, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Yep. That wasn't right. How does this look? Nothing clever, just rewriting. SchreiberBike | ⌨  19:45, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

That seems much clearer. Thank you. Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 23:17, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Bird

Why is the header image a bird? 213.31.180.157 (talk) 14:35, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

That's a box for {{Wildlife of Great Britain}}. I can see how that's confusing. Suggestions?  SchreiberBike | ⌨  22:17, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Create a composite of representative wildlife (e.g. a mammal, a bird, a reptile, an amphibian, a fish, a moth or butterfly, a dragonfly, a 'typical' plant, a tree, a shrub, a grass/monocot, a moss, a fungus,...) — will look rather small! GRM (talk) 20:16, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Maps

Does anyone have UK maps rather than those in the article that pretty much cover the whole western palearctic?

The turtle maps are even global!

Thanks—GRM (talk) 20:14, 10 February 2023 (UTC)