Talk:List of modernist composers

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MORE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i myself have no time :P 80.179.13.34 23:25, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

This list should be deleted

I think this list should be deleted, as it is difficult to define 'modernism'.

Moreover, there're already lists of composers in 20th and 21st century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnWYC (talk • contribs) 07:28, 28 December 2005

Additional citations

Why and where does this article need additional citations for verification? What references does it need and how should they be added? Hyacinth (talk) 01:27, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Presumably, every name in the list presently without a reference needs one, how they are already added to the other names. Since no one actually seems to know what a modernist composer is (they appear not to carry identification cards), sources declaring each name to be one are urgently needed.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 04:45, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Knussen - Scotland or United Kingdom?

Without wishing to make any political points about nationality or any indy debate, is it helpful to list Knussen under "Scotland" rather than the "United Kingdom"? He was part of the general British music scene; he studied in London, was influenced by Britten, and seemed to have spent his musical working life in the southeast of the UK, rather than as part of a distinctive Scottish scene. (I can't find reference to how Knussen saw himself and his music in terms of nationality). I'm concerned readers may come away with the impression there is a distinctively Scottish style of modernist music (as opposed to more generally British) that Knussen represents. OsFish (talk) 08:01, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Dmitri Shostakovich

Why is Shostakovich not included in the list? Χιονάκι (talk) 14:08, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Because he was not a modernist according to the definition stated in this article, particularly with respect to "innovation". After graduating from the Leningrad Conservatory, he went through a very brief modernist period that lasted 1926–1929; resulting in Opp. 12–15, 18, 19, and the first three songs of 21. Even these were of a piece with the whole of his output, which integrated some techniques developed by modernists within a conservative aesthetic.

He also criticized and repudiated modernism numerous times in both published statements and private ones to friends. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 14:49, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

To which era does Shostakovich belong then? Χιονάκι (talk) 14:58, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Modernism is defined in this article by stylistic tendencies and aesthetic outlook, not chronology. Otherwise, composers like Frederick Delius, Richard Wetz, Nino Rota, Yamada Kōsaku, et al, would all be defined as "modernists" simply because they lived and worked in the 20th century, even though aesthetically they were further removed from modernism than Shostakovich. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 17:23, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Since Shostakovich's works also look like modernist compositions. Χιονάκι (talk) 19:52, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

They are not, though, as I explained. Please also refer to this archived discussion for more details. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:00, 15 August 2023 (UTC)