Talk:List of men's footballers with 50 or more international goals/Archive 1

Archive 1

Merger proposal

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The result of this discussion was no merge. = paul2520 (talk) 21:28, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

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I propose to merge List of top international men's association football goal scorers by country into List of men's footballers with 50 or more international goals. Purijj (talk) 10:37, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• @Purijj: I don't know why you want to merge the two articles, but I already oppose. The "50 goals list" and "Top goalscorers list" may be very similar but they are also very distinct. The "top goalscorers list" lists every men's national team's all-time top scorer, many of whom have not scored 50 goals. The "50 goals list" lists every player to have scored 50 goals, some of who play for the same countries. Merging them to "DESTINATION PAGE" or whatever you want seems a little bit absurd. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 20:26, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

• • KingSkyLord (talk · contribs) You answered your question in the 2nd part of your response.....they are 2 very similar pages.....why have a page for every arbitrary statistic?

Comment

• Strongly Oppose such a move.
  • First I don't see any reason being produced by the user behind such proposal, itself its wierd !!!
  • Secondly, I don't see any requirement as such to merge the articles. One article clearly summarizes "Players with 50 or more goals". I must assume the user who wanted to merge have very primitive knowledge of footballing records. Let me state it clearly, 50 goals is a very big achievements in football, are considered as an important statistics and a measure of accomplishment as they are rare, very evident from the fact that only 63 players achieved that, and all football enthusiasts are interested in knowing about it. And the other article clearly summarises top goal scorers from every footballing nations, which is more than 200 countries. Secondly, the first one have multiple players from same country, whether the second one have only one player from a single counntry. I don't see any similarities or necessities for both article to be merged, its indeed a very poor proposal. Dey subrata (talk) 15:27, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

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Archiving references

@Gog the Mild: Need archiving here. Dey subrata (talk) 15:39, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild: I think you missed this. Dey subrata (talk) 21:58, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. Dey subrata (talk) 18:40, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Copy editing

@Twofingered Typist: Thanks for your time. I am satisfied with the copy edit. Its always nice to work with you. The photo arrangement is ok. Looks good, the lead looks fine. I will shortly go for nom. once rectifying some stats. Thank you again. Dey subrata (talk) 21:16, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

@Twofingered Typist: I just have a concern, that just noticed. In the last paragraph...I may have used "greatest number of matches"...I think it will be better if we write "maximum or most number of matches". Please do reply. Dey subrata (talk) 21:20, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Proposed edit

Just a small one: I wondered if it would be helpful to add in brackets the length of the footballer's career in the 'Career span' column e.g. "1993–2006 (13 years)". I think this would help those browsing the list to draw comparisons between players without having to work out the length in their head. Interested to hear what people think. — Formula One wiki 18:00, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

I understand your idea, but the thing is that here primary subject is goal. We have to focus on it and whatever needed infos. like caps, country... the career span is a secondary information, and if with that we add no. of years then that will be a tertiary information, which will over kill the article. It should be assumed that the reader should ahve basic knowledge of calculation and that year info hardly give any weightage on the goals scored or on the players as already the career span of player is mentioned. Anyway thanks for sharing ideas, but it will not be wise to include such. Dey subrata (talk) 13:17, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Proposed title change

This article should be entitled "List of male footballers with more than 50 international goals," since that's what it is. Ebolamunkee (talk) 01:22, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Reason for move?

KingSkyLord, what is the reason for the move? By writing more than you just changed the meaning of the article. Drat8sub (talk) 06:02, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, KingSkyLord, it was another user, totally gone out of notice. Need to undo the page to "50 or more int.goals". Drat8sub (talk) 06:23, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Ae245, can you please explain why did you move the page from "50 or more international goals" to "more than 50 international goals". 50 is extraordinary feat not 51 or 52, by changing the name you just changed the meaning of the article. I would request you to undo your move if possible. Drat8sub (talk) 21:07, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

When I tried to move it to List of footballers with 50 or more international goals, another page was in the way and I didn't know how to resolve it so I moved it to the current title. When other users later moved the page again, I took it as objection to my move and stopped bothering about it. Ae245 (talk) 10:15, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 15 July 2020

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to move page. (non-admin closure) — YoungForever^(talk) 22:43, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

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List of footballers with more than 50 international goals → List of men's footballers with 50 or more international goals – The article name changed with the page move here which has changed the meaning of the article and was done without having a prior discussion. The achievement is 50 goals so "50 or more" was kept, and the user changed it to only "more than 50" which makes 51 as achieving feat which is not per statistical standard, it's 50 or 100 or 150. And for consistency with other articles also like List of men's footballers with 500 or more goals, List of men's footballers with 100 or more international caps, List of women's footballers with 100 or more international caps, List of women's footballers with 100 or more international goals etc. Drat8sub (talk) 22:33, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 11:33, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

• Support per nom. GiantSnowman 11:38, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 13:49, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom! Makes sense for it to be consistent with the rest. Paintspot Infez (talk) 17:49, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom, makes sense that 50 should be included, not excluded RedPatchBoy (talk) 03:02, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support '50 or more' makes more sense than 'more than 50'AussieBoy5 (talk) 22:59, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

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First player to score 50 goals

When I sort by the date of the 50th goal I see Imre Schlosser listed first. But the article states that Poul Nielsen was the first player to score 50 goals. Presumably Schlosser is not considered first because the early days of international football are not counted for some reason. It would be good if the article was clear on what the distinction is that makes Nielsen the first player to score 50 international goals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uwhoff (talk • contribs) 01:08, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2020

Neymar has now 64 goals in 103 matches. Please correct this. Kazi Jewel Rana (talk) 06:43, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

 Already done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:59, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Differences in current list and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_top_international_men%27s_football_goal_scorers_by_country

Who is actually #3? Puskas or Dahary? It seems one of the two lists is either outdated or inaccurate. Lintile76 (talk) 16:40, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Zainal Abidin Hassan

Zainal Abidin Hassan's goals also generously count non-full international goals into the total, just like in the thread above regarding Mokhtar. No way that should stand. Splićanin (talk) 12:06, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Mr Hassan, as per RSSSF, did not score full 50 international goals. Alas, why was RSSSF secondary source in the first place, and Twitter post the primary? Splićanin (talk) 12:22, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

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Date of goal

Date of 100th goal is really useless here because only 2 players have achieved it. That could/should be replaced by "Date of first goal". Clog Wolf _Howl 16:27, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello! I agree, but I think "Date of 75th goal" would be a better alternative than "Date of first goal". Nialarfatem (talk) 15:55, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Mokhtar Dahari

International goals of Mokhtar Dahari generously count goals 43 through 46 scored in Olympic qualifiers as legitimate, full international, A goals, whereas Ali Daei only has 109 full international goals (and 3 Olympic qualifying goals in parenthesis, as stated in Mr Daei's introduction infobox). That's still only 109 full international goals.
I don't mind some local "legend" beating Mr Puskas to third place, but please do the recount yeah? Splićanin (talk) 12:00, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Your point is null and void. Olympic football matches included senior national teams before 1992's version. Daei played with the national team after 1992, Dahari played with his national team before 1990. So only Dahari's Olympic football matches are in senior level, not Daei's. Nialarfatem (talk) 15:41, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

The "source" which allegedly indicates that Indonesia's haphazard bunch for Merdeka '77 is counted towards full internationals never mentions the fact. In fact, there's no text whatsoever besides results and tables. That's five goals which never should have counted. Virtually all of the rest come from obscure annual friendly tournaments. Please, once more, do the recount. I will go through every single one of your sources afterwards. Splićanin (talk) 12:30, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello! These 89 goals in 142 matches have been recognized anymore not only by RSSSF, but also by FIFA. Cheers!

Add reference to Batistuta 54 goals, hope for a reply

In the Batistuta wikipedia page it is a reference to his 54 goals for Argentina which says:

Here is a link also: https://www.espn.com/soccer/argentina/story/2891319/lionel-messi-breaks-argentinas-all-time-goal-scoring-record

Is this something which could be added here? Ask since Argentine Football Association and FIFA seems to disagree here. Hope for a respons.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.234.152.220 (talk) 17:31, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello! Even though I am responding with some delay (actually more than 4 months), but better late than never, as I had left this unresponded because I had thought someone else would have responded by now, or probably you would have figured out yourself that what you ask isn't needed, as simply the reference on the article on Batistuta already mentions that. Now, even though that's perhaps something that could be raised on another topic-section, should Batistuta be in the list with 54 or 56 goals? Since at the time that match was played was considered a full international, it makes perfectly sense to me those numbers (2 more goals and 1 more match) to be included in his tally, regardless if the match later seized to be a full international. Kind regards! Nialarfatem (talk) 11:02, 28 June 2021 (UTC)