Talk:List of longest-living organisms

Candidates

The following links should be worked into the article somehow:

• Prometheus (tree)  Done
• Pando (Quaking Aspen)  Done
• Tree#Champion trees

...and a few other articles that now link here. Melchoir 10:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

 Done--sin-man 04:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Is there a reason why this guy isn't on the list? 9k-year-old Swedish tree discovered in 2008 24.7.74.6 (talk) 16:58, 9 July 2010 (UTC)  Done

Other long-lived organisms

I understand that for certain freshwater fish -- for example,

• sturgeons -- if they manage to live past a certain age, they, in effect, become immortal & can only die from accident or the intervention of man. (Sorry, no cite)
• Oliver Rackham claims that the Queen's Oak at Huntingsfield, Suffolk is "about a thousand years old" -- as well as "the wonderful pollards of Winsdor Great Park -- while some coppice stools in the Bradfield Woods, Suffolk, are "among the oldest living things in Britain (at least a thousand years)". (Trees and woodland in the British landscape [London: Phoenix Press, 2001], pp. 14f.)
• I've also seen mention that Baobab trees are very long-lived, easily over a thousand years. Does anyone have more information? -- llywrch 00:53, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Lobster, crab can both live practically eternally - i'll try to find a cite

immortal species?

Since the Turritopsis nutricula is the only known immortal species, it's likely that the oldest continuously living animal on the planet is a jellyfish of this species (I would have thought). Can we have some coverage of this in the article, please. --Wragge 16:30, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

It is not known to be immortal, according to the reference given in the article. Just because an animal can switch between a "mature" and "immature" state does not mean it can do so indefinitely. The individual cells may still age continuously. --Roentgenium111 (talk) 22:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Clone colony one plant?

In a discussion on the science ref desk someone pointed out that clones are no more alike than identical twins. In which case the clonal colonies can hardly be regarded as one plant. I don't suggest removing them, but if the comparison makes sense it might make sense to make it in the article because it rather puts things in perspective. DirkvdM 19:15, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Clonal colonies are one plant. They are physically contiguous, like your body. So it's more like conjoined twins, although in the case of plants there is no meaningful distinction between two and one if they're connected and genetically identical. In animals there is.

No meaningful distinction between plant clones and plant individual

All plants are modulary organisms (as well as lower animals such as sponges). Therefore the distinction in the article between plant clones and individual plant specimens is actually irrelevant.

Also in a single plant 'individual', there will be no cells living throughout the life-time of the plant. Leaves are shed, of course (also needles), and in the stem, the cells making of the xylem and phloem are only functional as young (and dead already in the case of xylem). The same token applies to major roots whereas the smaller ones are shed or withered away.

Hence, in a way the clones (like Pando) are just as modulary as is a single maple.

Our way to think of 'individuals' is (too) heavy influenced of ourselves being eumetazoans. Plants simply aren't like that. That's why they might be immortal (also having high activities in the meristems of the telomerase enzyme).

Therefore, the only meaningful distinction is to regard an individual as being all the cells derived from a common zygote. 94.255.244.204 (talk) 15:53, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Norway Spruce

I'm not a botanist, but the Norway Spruce don't strike me as colonies like Pando. The oldest root has itself been dated to about 8000 years old. I would call a root a part of an individual organism, even if the trunks are more temporary. What defines a tree? Granted, the trunk is what we supra-surface organisms notice most of the time, but isn't a root an important part of a tree? And so wouldn't a root that has been growing and maturing for 8000 years represent a single organism rather than a colony? In the case of Pando, by contrast, I don't think anyone's claiming that any given root has persisted for thousands of years. Jbening (talk) 04:36, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Each and every clonal organism can, in itself, be considered an individual organism - it'd just be a really really big individual organism. Whether or not it remains a continuous cell mass, isn't of massive importance (as trees can be divided and fused and still survive perfectly well); what is important is how genetically identical the trees are - supra-surface stems that are identical must have been born of the same 'flesh'. 82.18.44.72 (talk) 04:56, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

So when we have separate organisms as a result of vegetative reproduction, you choose to regard them as a single organism? --Michael C. Price ^talk 09:21, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

List of Long-lived species?

Is there a comparable list for long-lived species? I can't find one but it would surely be of interest & would add relevant context for this list. --lquilter 01:22, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Autochthony writes - 2009 August 25 at 2010z - if you can access a copy of the Guinness Book of Animal Records, 2nd edition, by - oe Ed. - Gerald Woods, FZS, it lists speeds and ages [maxima] by species, in the end covers.

oldest domesticated animal examples

why isn't there a page for common longest lived species such as cats, dogs, pigs, goats, cattle, etc? i would have thought that would have been first on your list of things to do...

Average lifespans?

It strikes me as remarkable that we have so much information on (fascinating, but of very narrow relevance) Guiness-Book-ish "world records" for animals, yet we seem to have no articles listing, or even discussing in any detail, the average lifespans for any organisms (ideally with separate listings for animals in the wild and in captivity). Surely the norm is much more important than the extreme exception. In addition to there being no centralized location for such information on Wikipedia that I can find, our treatment of lifespan also seems to be inconsistent (e.g., wild vs. captive ages), well-hidden, or entirely absent in the individual species' articles; and I haven't been able to find any reputable sources online which list many lifespans either. Does anyone know of where one might find such reputable, sourced information? Is there any centralized hub of such data, at the very least for certain subgroups of organisms (e.g., all mammals, or all amphibians, etc.) if not for all life? -Silence (talk) 17:10, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Animal section

It is mentioned on the black choral page that a subspecies of black coral was found to be 4,265 years old. It should be added at the top of the section as the oldest living animal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.33.141.151 (talk) 14:54, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Termite and ant references fall short of being sufficent

The reference used to claim that ant queens are the oldest insects is set to private, and is a private blog - not a very preputable source. I suggest someone does proper research in literature, otherwise this should be deleted. I vaguely remember 17 years as the oldest unambigously documented age of an ant queen.

The reference for termites is commercial site with vague claims, and also not a source I would like to see in Wikipedia. I also suggest deletion, or proper research. To my knowledge, there is no case of documented termite queen age above 15 years, yet. While very old termite mound ages are documented (up to several centuries), this is not the same, as mounds get recolonised frequently.

Additionaly, the resource for the Oldhouse Borer Hylotrupes bajalus is not very specific. I tried to find the original source, as it is not given in the linked MS Word document, but failed. This should be flagged for a check as well. Botanischwili (talk) 18:04, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Re-checked my sources: oldest properly documented insect individual should be an queen of /Pogonomyrmex badius/ . Source: Hölldobler, B., & Wilson, E. O. (1990). The ants. Harvard University Press. Everything else I could find are projections, and likely to be wrong. Botanischwili (talk) 18:35, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Missing fish

According to http://www.agelessanimals.org/ the Rougheye rockfish can reach 205 years "In a very intriguing analysis, the project's Fish Ecologist, Gregor M. Cailliet, determined that rockfish have both short-lived and long-lived members in the same genus (Cailliet 2001). He found that maximum rockfish longevity ranges in age from 12 years for the calico rockfish to 205 years for the rougheye rockfish." This research group is currently studying the reasons for the longevity and has so far examined telomerase and protein turnover. Star A Star (talk) 06:54, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Botha

great white shark - based on two sketches, apparently, over a century apart. Note that I feel this is plausible, but it would be nice to have some comparatives; like a couple of interim sketches, or some research on - say - mother-daughter dorsal similarities. But mighty interesting . . . Autochthony has written. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.170.85 (talk) 20:08, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Humans

Interesting to read that Jeanne Calment was an animal. --85.23.6.115 (talk) 19:14, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

As are you. -Silence (talk) 17:11, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Re-added a reference to Jeanne Calment, as humans are most definitely terrestrial animals, and it is most definitely interesting that we live longer than most other animal species. 98.176.5.128 (talk) 05:38, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Tortoises

Tortoises are listed as aquatic animals in this article. They are clearly not, so I will move them to the terrestrial animal section. Chelos (talk)

Oldest Living Vertebrate

Would appear ATM to be a human female, but more likely an avian or terrapin. 72.228.150.44 (talk) 04:46, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Methuselah (tree) is clearly the oldest organism, and doubtless Kama Chinen is the oldest mammal, but doesn't sound right that Man has surmounted Chordata. 72.228.150.44 (talk) 17:21, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

OK, pretty clear it's prolly a cetacean but difficulty in verifying prolly means Kama keeps the class title. 72.228.150.44 (talk) 18:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Not sure if I'm putting my problem in the right place, but on the page it says that 'Tu'i Malila, a Radiated tortoise, died at an age of 188 years in May 1965, the oldest verified vertebrate'. Surely a Bowhead whale that lived to 211 years old and Koi that lived to 226 (cited as legitimate a few entries above) are older living vertebrates? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.78.74.72 (talk) 21:15, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Mammalian cell line

I'd argue that the canine transmissible venereal tumor deserves some mention on this page, but I'm not really sure what would be the best way to do that. It's not really a mammal or even an animal in most traditional senses of those words, but it's still mammalian in some sense and it's certainly quite old. Thoughts, anyone? 108.56.232.165 (talk) 20:23, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Noah's dove's olive tree?

"They are also known to be the worlds oldest olive trees as well as the source of Noah's dove olive peace branch." Is it really known? /: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.56.65.93 (talk) 21:15, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

This offended my brain too, so I modified the language. People can believe what they like, but they can't claim it to be fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.215.232.37 (talk) 22:10, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Why was most of this page deleted?

On March 1 it appears one user deleted 75% of this article leaving only the clonal colonies part. Accident? Reason? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.98.249.59 (talk) 03:17, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

No idea. :) No explanation was given by User:Erforever88 for his removals. I've restored the content. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 03:25, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Multiple issues tag

I've added this after coming to the entry while researching this issue for a project. I believe it is justified because (1) many of the references are low-quality and potentially untrustworthy (2)There is no proper discussion of the key issue of dormancy with bacteria (3) there's insufficient references to the recent work on eg actinobacteria, which appear to be the oldest organisms at around 500 kyr. Robma (talk) 13:56, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Where there is a main article, no references should be given on this page. If the references are poor, that is an issue for the main article. This page simply aggregates, indexes, and summarizes certain details from main articles. 75.210.162.232 (talk) 00:38, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Methuselah

Somebody added the following line only citing the Vatican main web page: "The oldest living human was Methuselah , who died at the age of −969 years, 0 days.[43]"

In my opinion, this speculation has no place in a scientific article. Would and editor mind deleting it?

Definition

I'm not sure that I understand the definition. I think that this is about the individual of each species, which is why I made the change, making that clearer. Not about the lifetime of the species - from speciation to extinction, for example. But I don't understand the distinction between the two definitions. TomS TDotO (talk) 23:48, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

I still don't understand the definition. It needs some reworking. The two parts don't seem to differ in substance, for example. The citation of the Methuselah tree is outdated. TomS TDotO (talk) 15:01, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

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Revived Nematodes

The entry on the revived nematodes cites an article in Siberia Times, not any scientific journal, and a search on Princeton University website for 'nematodes russia' does not give any result that mentions this find. I think this ought to be marked [needs better citation].Voland0 (talk) 05:33, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Update: I searched on the page of the department claimed in the cited article at Princeton, Geosciences, for 'nematode' and there were no relevant to this claim.

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Lonesome George, Fernanda, and Judean date palms?

Do these individuals qualify for this list? Lonesome George was the last known Pinta Island tortoise who lived to about 101-102 years old, Fernanda, the current last known Fernandina Island tortoise is estimated to about 100+ years old, and the Judean date palms such as Methuselah and Hannah were grown from 2000-year-old seeds found in Herad the Great's palace. Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 05:53, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Addition of a chart to picture longevity among organisms

I recently added a chart of my creation to the page regarding longest life-spans recorded [1](based on the AnAge database) that promptly got removed (both because of me not knowing external links don't belong in image captions and because it's apparently illegible). I was wondering whether or not the community considers useful to have this sorta representation and if it's as I hope sufficiently understandable and insightful. Yobonnie (talk) 18:37, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

It is illegible - the text cannot be read. As such it does not add useful information to the page. MrOllie (talk) 21:18, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

I can read the image just fine though with some head gyrations. You may have to wait for the SVG image to load and unblur. Ca ^{talk to me!} 02:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

I will try to make the text more legible and upload again then, thank you for the feedback Yobonnie (talk) 07:13, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

The image looks good to me. The external link should be reformatted as a reference. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Proceeded this way! Thank you and everyone for the feedback. Yobonnie (talk) 12:50, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

The chart is good, but there is a mistake in the way you are grouping plants. You treat 'conifers' and 'vascular plants' as separate categories. But conifers are vascular plants. I guess you meant 'flowering plants'? But then you've not included Gingko as a conifer, even though it is a gymnosperm.

I'd suggest changing the labels to 'gymnosperm' and 'angiosperm', and making sure to include Gingko as a gymnosperm. Poorpooreyes (talk) 12:14, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback! When working with the AnAge dataset I wanted to "translate" the scientific name of the entries (in this case Phylums) into "common" names. I was under the impression "Tracheophytes" (Gingko) and "Tracheophyta" (Umbrella Thorn and Baobab) referred to the same Pylum, that could be put as (now I imagine erroneously) "vascular plants", while "Pinophyta" was conifers. Do you know if the "Tracheophytes/a" phylum has a common name? Anyways will fix the inaccuracy when I can (sadly been very busy lately).~~~~ Yobonnie (talk) 14:11, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Hey, no worries. So you are correct that Tracheophyta = vascular plants. But conifers are also within the tracheophytes. So it's just not a meaningful category. It would be like having two categories: "conifers" and "plants", even though conifers are obviously plants. As I suggested, you can make the groupings of Angiosperms and Gymnosperms. "Angiosperms" would include Vachellia/Umbrella Thorn and Baobab, while "Gymnosperms" would include Gingko, along with all your pines/spruces/yews/firs and other conifers. Poorpooreyes (talk) 22:41, 3 November 2024 (UTC)