Talk:List of free-to-air channels at Astra 28.2°E (Ireland and the United Kingdom)

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References - specific

The links to the sites for "Number of FTA Channels on Astra 2A-2D" and "..on Eurobird 1" are the wrong way round. I would change them if I knew how but I don't so I can't. Help, please. TheOneOnTheLeft (talk) 10:04, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

The big clean up/revamp

Right, where do I start? This article is very out of date. Now I have started to bring it up to date and also inline with the new format these TV Channel lists are following now (delinking overlinking etc). They also require clean up of dead channels, new channels, rebranded channels and also the ones which have changed transponders/ones which currently don't have theirs listed.

I have spent an hour or so updating the Entertainment, Lifestyle & Culture and Movies sections. The only major thing is for me to double check the transponder frequencies for these pages and they will completely up to date.

I still need to do the rest but these things will take a while to complete, but im sure with a little help they will be soon. (Skytvfreak (talk) 22:43, 28 February 2009 (UTC))

Once Sky and virgin are complete then this is the next on the list for me ;) then UPC , freeview, freesat and any others. There quite a bit to do on virgin and skyu so with the time i have i say maybe 2-3 weeks, by the way do not feel the neeed to do it all in a few days just do some when oyu have time i also suggest using notepad to copy and paste for delinking--Andrewcrawford (talk) 00:10, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

This article should be moved or re-written

This article should either be moved to something like List of free-to-air channels in the UK at 28E or should be re-written to reflect the fact that some channels that are subscription or FTV at 28E are FTA via other platforms/satellites. Pit-yacker (talk) 15:12, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

That would be a bit stupid why? because it covers eurobird to, it list of free to air channels avaiable within the uk, it should not be covering free to view, i have nto have chance to update or finish this list but if someone has added free to view remove it--Andy (talk - contrib) 16:58, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I think Pit-yacker was pointing out that there are FTA channels on other broadcast platforms in the UK (DTT) even if they are encrypted on satellite (e.g. Dave) and that European versions may be FTA on other satellites but still available in the UK (e.g. CNBC Europe at 19.2E). Since there is already a list of FTA DTT (Freeview) channels, information on Freewire is out of date, Tiscali and Virgin require subscriptions and this page is already out of date, expanding it doesn't seem like a good idea, moving it would be better. - Jasmeet_181 (talk) 18:24, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

They seem to be suggesting jsut move the article ot a new name which will not solve the problem. freeview is pretty clear it is different. But i understand the poitns brought up but moving it to the above is certainly not the answer getting rid of it is not he answer either as it a useful article.--Andy (talk - contrib) 20:00, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't suggesting that my alternative name for the article be the final discussion on the issue. I'm inclined to agree that it probably isn't a very good name. However, an article that is entitled List of free-to-air channels in the UK which then goes on to talk about channels available solely on Astra 2 & Eurobird (IMO to all intents and purposes the same platform, which hosts two notable DSat services - Freesat and Sky Digital) to the exclusion of all other platforms is clearly at best incorrectly titled or worse, misleading. Pit-yacker (talk) 23:44, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

They are not the same platform, if you buy a satillete receiver like a tv card or jsut a normal box from ahrdward supply ou can tune in every one of these channels. These ar ethe channels that are avaiable free to air in the uk ie one that can be picked up with standard dishes.--Andy (talk - contrib) 09:18, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

But that is my point. They aren't the channels "that are avaiable free to air in the uk" they are the channels that are FTA on Eurobird and Astra 2 (as they are both receivable using a "standard dish" that 99% of the population receiving by DSat have, they are IMO to all intents and purposes the one single platform). It takes no account of Freeview or other satellites. In the case of Freeview alone (these days the dominant TV platform in the UK), you can add Fiver, Five USA, Sky Three (all FTV on this sat platform); Dave, Dave ja vu, Virgin 1, Virgin 1 +1, TMF, 4Music, Yesterday (subscription on this sat platform) as well as a TeleG and a pile of shopping and tat channels(e.g. SmileTV) that broadcast in the downtime of other channels that are exclusive to Freeview. Pit-yacker (talk) 11:16, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

DVB-T has nothing to do with DVB-S which this article is more about is Satillete not Aerial What has freeview got to do with this articl;e? under that tense why not include subscription channels etc. This article is about the channels which are freely available to uk only people, granted if oyu have a huge dish then you could easiyl pick up channels from america or so on but then we are gettign into the merits or satillete communcatiosn not what the article purpose is to list channels that broadcast free to air. Please inform me why the FREEVIEW inclusion i am really strugglign ot understand why this is so important, the article name maybe could change to reflect what it is a bit better but you are talkign baotu complete change to the article and then it bsaically become a dublicate of the sky article--Andy (talk - contrib) 17:36, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

My point is that if this article is about satellite and not aerial, then the name List of free-to-air channels in the UK is not an accurate description of what the article is about. Which brings me back to my starting point that this article is probably better moved. List of free-to-air channels in the UK at 28E was a starting point suggestion for a more accurate name. I say 28E as this more or less incorporates the orbits of Astra 2 at 28.2E and Eurobird at 28.5E. Pit-yacker (talk) 18:48, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok i understnad now, maybe List of free-to-air satillete channels receivable in the uk? or something similar i think using the 28E bit would be confussing to a non techincally user or my suggestion might not be spelt right--Andy (talk - contrib) 19:10, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

That title would ignore the fact that that a lot of European satellite transmissions are receivable in the UK. I suppose you make List of free-to-air satellite channels receivable in the uk redirect to List of free-to-air channels in the UK at 28E and add something less technical to the lead section. - Jasmeet_181 (talk) 19:47, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Seems like a reasonbale solution, but altough you are right in the fact a lot of eurpeon tramission are receiveable in the uk, some are on non 28E alignment and require a bigger dish the oens that are should be added to this list anyway--Andy (talk - contrib) 19:57, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

This article has been partly cleaned up

I have updated all of the channels and frequencies in all sections apart from Adult, Regional and Radio. I will aim to do these in the next few days, so the whole of the page will be up-to-date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.1.30 (talk) 23:13, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

The big clean-up is nearly done!

I have now completed the Adult, Regional and Other/AD channels, leaving only the radio section to be updated. As with my other post, this will be completed soon (05/07/09) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.1.30 (talk) 10:23, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

THANKS!

I'm not sure if this is the right way to post these messages, so delete this if you need to, but I just wanted to say thanks for all your work on this. There are some great channels not listed in the Sky EPG, and thanks to you I now have them! Much appreciated! 109.78.77.17 (talk) 10:43, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

I assume you are refering to the six month old discussion above that is now resolved. The issue was that this channel used to be called List of free-to-air channels in the UK which is technically an incorrect name (at least in my opinion). Pit-yacker (talk) 12:40, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Audio Format

Might be a idea to create a audio format column for example BBC One HD and BBC HD are out put Dolby Digital but ITV1 HD only outputs Stereo even though its a HD channel. Sfxprefects (talk) 20:46, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

sounds like agood idea but need to make speraet hd section since only hd that has different audio--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 23:04, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

EPG numbers

Can i ask wher ethe discussion to add the sky and freesat epg numbers to this list? this list is about the channesl receiveable and there tunin frequencies not necessary a epg number that wha tthe sky and freesat list does--Andrewcrawford (talk - contrib) 17:37, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Removing Sky and Freesat EPG info

I and others have removed the Sky and Freesat electronic program guide info from this page because it violates WP:NOTDIR and the consensuses at directly relevant AfDs Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of channels on Sky and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2nd bundle of channel lineups. Please take a look at those discussions and comment here before reverting. Thank you. -- Wikipedical (talk) 17:34, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

My understanding of why this article and also List of digital terrestrial television channels (UK) have been kept is that rather than relating to a commercial provider and therefore promoting their services, they refer to several services. In this case, it is Sky and also Freesat and on the other list, Freeview, Top Up TV and YouView. Therefore, my thoughts would be that as they are for more than 1 provider, having the channel numbers does not promote a service over another and does not reflect an EPG. Just a thought, as the two articles remaining is good enough for me. Adamiow (talk) 18:12, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

The original revert was more to do with the fact that User:Doktorbuk broke the table. Regardless of consensus, there is a serious issue when people are so eager to push through their "consensus" they dont even bother to check what they have broken. I see this problem cropping up again and again.

Unfortunately, in this case, the "consensus" happened so quickly and on pages that I dont watch (in some cases there is no reason why I would watch have any reason to watch as they were about services in other countries of which I have no knowledge) that some sort of "precedent" had already been set before I got a chance to comment. However, I guess that is life and unfortunately it is now too late.

To be honest, I'm neutral on the presence of EPG numbers in this particular case alone. The EPG numbers are un-coordinated between different services and there is a problem of the article getting too unwieldly if more services launch. Its debatable whether it is already a little unwieldly haveing Freesat and Sky numbers.Pit-yacker (talk) 18:55, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

I deleted the numbers and support Wikipedical in doing so. The EPG numbers are not suitable for Wikipedia, for they show people the on-screen directory of channels, which is against WP:NOTDIR. You either accept that this isn't a directory, or you accept it is. If it IS, it gets deleted. If it ISN'T, you lose the EPG numbers. It's that simple doktorb _words^deeds 20:01, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Might as well delete the whole article then, given that frequency/polarity data still exist. Your edit has made a useful list less useful.81.149.101.15 (talk) 16:34, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Considering the loss of channel numbers and such forth, what is the advantage of this article over say, a category entitled Free-to-air channels at 28°E? The one main point of such a list gone, information now contained within the list could easily be found within the relevant channel article (and if not, it'll fail WP:NME anyway). --tgheretford (talk) 16:44, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

The tricky bit with pages like this is that they require constant vigilance to keep them upto date. As a consequence the reader can never be sure that it is still accurate. That being said if it is actively maintained I regard such a page as useful but there are many deletionists who would disagree. Mtpaley (talk) 22:03, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

How can we change the vid 'pid and bisskey numbe rs!

I want to know the biss keys for fta channels ! Cq Htun (talk) 03:45, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Channels Television

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