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They missed Antegria.
editIn this article. They mention several times the countries from the game Papers, Please , however. Although they mentioned it a few times. The country of Antegria is missing. Unfortunately, I know little about the country, lesser so how to edit this page without destroying it accidentally. So if someone could help on that, it’d b great.
Can we add a map of all of these
editMap 2603:7081:5407:C700:1C12:914E:278A:55DC (talk) 00:29, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
- Unfortunately no. Not all of these countries have a published map. some of may not even have a map created for them.PAper GOL (talk) 12:22, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Israel is on this list for some reason
editIt should probably be taken off 2600:8800:7286:2400:80F0:82CA:3695:2B57 (talk) 15:50, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
Should fictional US Native American reservations be included? And should Nation of Hawaii from "Hawaii Five-0" be included?
editHi. I am wondering on two matters. I'm including them into one thread because they kinda connected. So, about the first thing. Should Native American reservations in the US be included? According to Wikipedia "Indian reservation is an area of land held and governed by a U.S. federal government-recognized Native American tribal nation, whose government is semi-sovereign, subject to regulations passed by the United States Congress and administered by the United States Bureau of Indian Affairs, and not to the U.S. state government in which it is located". Which kinda sounds like depending territory not fully within a country. And this list already includes a few fictional dependencies and even micronations. And as such I was wondering if Indian reservations should be included as well.
And about second part of my question. I includ it here because it inspired this whole topic. The episode "Ka Laina Ma Ke One" of the Hawaii Five-0 (2010 TV series) features fictional entity of the Nation of Hawaii. It is described as sovereign land outside the state jurisdiction. It is a small community with its own government and border guard. The way they talk about it in the episode makes me think that it is treated as if it has the status of Native reservation (though it isn't really said directly in the show). As such, I'm wondering if it deserves to be included on this list or not.
Also, btw, I think in the episode they use the flag for this entity, but kind find any pictures online. If someone could find some pictures/screenshots of it, I would be greatfull, as I'm trying to add svg images of fictional flags to this article.
Well, this text to quite long. If you read all of this, thank you :) Hope to hear other's options. Artemis Andromeda (talk) 16:15, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
Should Ambrosia from Billy Liar be on the list?
editHi, I have removed Ambrosia from Billy Liar from the list. The country in the book and subsequent media is just made up in stories/games made by titular child character, and not an actual state existing within the fictional universe of the book. Do you think it should be added back to the list? Artemis Andromeda (talk) 17:31, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
Kaiserreich Mod
editHi, is this "Kaiserreich" mod considered to be a "published work of fiction"? I think these additions, especially with these possible copyrighted flags, are questionable. --Enyavar (talk) 20:20, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
- Kaisserreich is a public mod for the video game Hearts of Iron 4. I dont believe the flags are copyright protected. The mod itself has many written sections detailing the various events and history of the kaiserreich world so i do believe it is a published work of fiction, i could be wrong though LuckTheWolf (talk) 13:49, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Making flags of fictional countries
editHi. A few months ago, I have made an effort to catalogue flags (and other symbols) of countries featured on this list, in order to later make their SVG versions to upload here. However, that's a lot of flags, and I don't have free time to work on them unfortunately. Thus, I thought to post the list here, so if anyone is interested in making some flags, they have a handy list of them. Also, feel free to add more picturs to the list if you find symbols of other fictional countries (just please don't remove anything without consulting me first).
Cheers Artemis Andromeda (talk) 15:07, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Should countries made up by YouTubers be included here?
editHi. I have noticed that there are quite a few countries that were made up by YouTubers, that are included on the list. It's mainly done by Geography Now, which is prominent geography channel. But there are also a few entires, which where done by some other YouTubers that I'm not really familiar with, but non of them seem to have even an article on Wikipedia, so I don't think they entires would be notable enough to be on this list. Should we delete some or all of those countries from the list? Artemis Andromeda (talk) 01:40, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
Where's Guarma from rdr2
editGuarma is a Caribbean island in Chapter 5 of Red Dead Redemption 2 Doctor who 218 (talk) 20:17, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Deleting fanmade content such as Hearts of Iron 4 mods, etc
editHi. I am considering if stuff like countries from Hearts of Iron 4 mods should be deleted ammong a few other things. I think there should be set a specific guidelines on which works qualify to be included in the list. In my opinion they should generally be officially published works, so books, films, tv series, video games, etc. Meanwhile, mods for video game can very much be considered unnoficial fan fiction.
And please don't misunderstand me, I do not mean any disrepct to either modder communites or fan fictio writers, as I respect the dedication that both of those require. But, I do belive they should not be counted as official media, and as such, should not be included here. Especially when, it is hard to decide where to draw the line. There are countless mods for HOI4, and who is too say, when will we stop adding countries from more and more obscure modes.
Sincerely, Artemis Andromeda (talk) 02:53, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Atlantis
editSince the definition at the top of this list states: "Fictional works describe all the countries in the following list as located somewhere on the surface of the Earth as we know it – as opposed to underground, inside the planet, on another world, or during a different "age" of the planet with a different physical geography." shouldn't Atlantis, which supposedly (fictionally) used to exist but was then submerged be deleted? It doesn't fit the definition, even though it might be the first imaginary country (or island or continent) that might pop into people's minds. Does anyone object to its deletion? WordwizardW (talk) 22:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Well, from my point of view, Atlantis really never existed but fictionally it was a state/island within the the same age of the Planet (Plato gives no date but it is clear that in his fiction is in the same state as Egypt) and it would be considered as a fictional equivalent to real Isola Ferdinandea.
- So from my view, it should survive
- LordFalk (talk) 16:49, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
This list should not include fictional takes on real or historical countries
editThe inclusion of Nazi Germany and the Confederate States on this list is ridiculous, the United States from Fallout even more so. These are real countries, or at least ones that historically existed. The fact that some writers have made alterations to their histories in their works doesn't make them fictional. If you were to take this to its logical conclusion, you could say Germany is a fictional country because Team Fortress 2 has a fictional German character - it has a new fictional aspect (TF2's Germany has this fictional character), but it's still a real country. Koopinator (talk) 13:55, 1 June 2024 (UTC
Pianostan has no fleshing out
editI do not believe there is much in the movie, but it feels weird
Requested move 20 August 2024
edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. There were no oppose !votes here but there was a proposal to remove “on Earth”. The original support garnered more support. Best, (closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans 08:27, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
List of fictional countries on the Earth → List of fictional countries set on Earth – If they're fictional, they're not on Earth. Not sure that we need to say "the Earth" either. GnocchiFan (talk) 21:19, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't get whats wrong with List of fictional countries that redirects here. The list criteria is wonky given that we don't have lists of countries located somewhere other than on the surface of the Earth as we know it—blindlynx 23:12, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support between the two given the current name doesn't make much sense, but agree with blindlynx there may also be a better and simpler name. CMD (talk) 07:26, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support List of fictional countries per blindlynx and per WP:CONCISE. Oppose the proposed longer title for the same reason. Are fictional countries even treated as a group anywhere per WP:NLIST? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:39, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support the nom. As to including "on Earth", there may be many fictional countries in science fiction films or books and 'Earth' may be necessary for accuracy. Pinging TompaDompa, who may be able to answer this per their many well-researched feature articles chronicling the history of fiction set on other Solar System planets. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:07, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- There are certainly fictional countries on extraterrestrial locations. Off the top of my head, there is Robert Cromie's A Plunge into Space (1890), where one country on Mars has conquered all the others and turned the planet into a utopia in what is apparently meant to parallel the British Empire. There are also a bunch of stories about Mars colonies rebelling against Earth rule, such as Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars trilogy (1992–1996). Beyond Mars in fiction, there are of course stories about polities spanning multiple extrasolar locations, like the various galactic empires in works ranging from Isaac Asimov's oeuvre to Star Wars. There are also countries in works of fantasy set on fictional worlds like Gondor in J. R. R. Tolkien's legendarium (though that is ostensibly Earth in the distant past) and the Seven Kingdoms in George R. R. Martin's ongoing A Song of Ice and Fire. The real question is whether sources treat these as different from countries on fictional landmasses on Earth such as Lilliput in Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels (1726) and countries on real landmasses on Earth such as Syldavia in Hergé's The Adventures of Tintin (1929–1976). There are many different possible subdivisions that could be made or alternatively not made, and however the sources do it is the way we should do it. TompaDompa (talk) 14:06, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support: To ensure accuracy and prevent confusion. Waqar💬 14:29, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support as proposed. To remove the "on the Earth" or "on Earth" from the title increases the scope of the list. It is not a disambiguator, rather it is directly describing the list scope. Bensci54 (talk) 16:16, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support original proposal. Oppose removing "on Earth" – it's meaningful that the list is restricted to Earth, since it's common for works in the fantasy genre to feature one or more polities that exist in a world entirely separate from Earth. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:09, 29 August 2024 (UTC)