Talk:List of data references for chemical elements

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Why are all the pages linked from this page named with "(data page)" in their title? -- Chuq 08:59, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

These data pages aren't self-contained articles but more of a centralized extension to the references sections of the various elements and infoboxes. Abundances of the elements (data page) for example has a different purpose than Abundance of the chemical elements and thus has an disambiguated title. Femto 15:03, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, Ok. I don't know a whole lot about the subject itself but the articles are oddly named - it appears they are more used as reference for editors and not readers? they might be more suited as sub pages under the "WikiProject chemical elements" namespace? -- Chuq 20:56, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

An unverifiable data value is worthless to the reader. Proper citations are part of the content which Wikipedia provides, so these pages clearly belong into the article space. However, they aren't articles, thus the (data page) format. Femto 22:46, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm still not clear about their purpose. Are these pages only supposed to be used as a source/reference for other articles? is there any reason why they are duplicates of almost identically named articles (such as the abundance articles you mention above)? Can the references on this page just be moved to the "main" pages? Whatever these pages are, they are in the article namespace, and will need to be either (a) formatted to the correct style an article (b) merged with another article (c) moved to the Wikipedia/WikiProject namespace (d) Transferred to WikiSource (if it is actual source material) or (e) deleted (I expect it will be extremely unlikely that this will happen!) -- Chuq 05:10, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

The infoboxes in the element articles are the content, the data pages are their references. Periodic table (electron configurations) is a proper article with context and explanations, its reference is electron configurations of the elements (data page). Same for Ionization energies of the elements, which is the nicely formatted article to provide the data, Ionization energies of the elements (data page) is the reference to back that data up with various cites. Different scientific sources rarely agree, so keeping it retraceable to the reader which data comes from where is imperative for encyclopedic verifiability.

(a) Content, Notes, References. I think they're already formatted appropriately. The style guidelines that apply to articles aren't necessarily the same for special cases such as lists, disambiguation pages, or data pages. (b) Where to? Merging these references into each article where the data gets used would not only be highly redundant, but also mean to include perhaps three screenfuls each with cites for dozens of properties. (c) It's not content related to Wikipedia or WikiProjects. (d) This belongs to the main encyclopedia, it's not source material but specific citations for the content that is used in the articles. (e) The day Wikipedia deletes its references, it's dead, so I can only agree.

There are similar non-article pages with supplementary data for many other substances, for example Water (data page). If you think the way this data is implemented could be improved, you may want to bring it up as a general case at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chemicals. Femto 14:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Triple point data page

Can somebody open up an article: triple points of the elements (data page). Cosmium 00:18, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I found exact temperatures available only for a handful of elements. They're very close to the melting points anyway. Even less data for the pressures, mainly for the gases. If someone puts this data into the articles it would be easier to cite the sources directly, no need for a separate data page. Femto 10:44, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Is it possible to make these data more machine readable

For example, this table http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elastic_properties_of_the_elements_(data_page) is fine because it is possible to copy-and-paste it into excel without much work

On the other hand, in case of this table http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heats_of_vaporization_of_the_elements_(data_page) any aptend to past all the data to excel (or any table manager ) for further processing is a hell — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.231.127.3 (talk) 13:42, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Bohr model picture

I have removed the Bohr model picture for carbon that used to be here, firstly because the Bohr model is a simplification and not how the atom actually looks (and indeed we previously decided to exclude them from the element infoboxes where they previously were), and secondly because the relevance of that simplification to this list of data references is unclear (many of the properties tabulated are not atomic properties). Double sharp (talk) 13:23, 21 October 2020 (UTC)