Talk:List of counts of Mortain

Vacant positions

What are the reasons for the periods when there was no count?

The sheer number of counts -- the property shifting hands in several cases before the death of the count -- the county was a "white elephant" of some sort?

Alpha Ralpha Boulevard (talk) 03:23, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Hubert de Burgh?

According to the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography entry on Hubert de Burgh, 1st Earl of Kent, he was made Count of Mortain by John I of England, presumably around the time John became king. I think he would therefore belong on this list, and the entry for John should probably be changed, since the title wouldn't have been lost to France until 1204, when much of John's possessions in France were lost. But if Hubert were added, should he be listed under English counts, in which case he would be the lone entry before the 1400s? Or would it be tidier to place him right after John under Norman counts? The problem with that may be that he wasn't actually Norman. Jbening (talk) 05:51, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

I've finally added him to the list, and I see that de Burgh was in fact an Anglo-Norman name, so he does belong among the Norman counts. Jbening (talk) 02:55, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

I restored it. Anglo-Normans were still Norman, so no reason to leave him out. Agricolae (talk) 15:41, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Agrciolae. I don't have strong feelings about this, but there's a discussion at Talk:Hubert de Burgh, 1st Earl of Kent that documents why I myself eventually backed down on the claim that he was ever Count of Mortain, Norman or not. It hinges on interpretation of wording in his biography, and on how great an achievement that County would have been relative to other titles he was given. Jbening (talk) 18:33, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out the other discussion. I agree, now, that ODNB was referring to Herbert serving John when John was Count of Mortain, so I self-reverted. Agricolae (talk) 23:50, 6 February 2019 (UTC)