Talk:List of countries that have gained independence from the United Kingdom
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Dominions
editTo me the date of they achieved Dominion status should be the day considered. This is because of a few reasons.
1. It is the day that all of them consider their independence day.
2.While the Dominions lacked powers over their foreign affairs they controlled their domestic ones. If the point is that external autonomy is needed to be a country then Canada should be before 1931 as it signed the Halibut Treaty with the US in 1923 without the UK's signature. The other Dominions could also make similar claims.
3.The criteria for full outright sovereignty is too extreme in my opinion. I think it is pretty much accepted, knowingly or not that a country can be sovereign without having fully sovereign powers, If the criteria is full sovereignty then the UK is not independent as it gives up some of its sovereign powers to the EU, the ability to negotiate trade agreements for example. There are other examples such as Monaco, Micronesia, Palau, etc. Seeing as no one would argue the UK is not an independent country I don't think its a stretch to consider the Dominions independent on their date of formation.
4.Using the Statute of Westminster has some flaws in my opinion. The first being that it largely made de jure something that had been going on since after the First World War and even earlier. It also didint fully give the nations in question full powers. Canada, Australia and New Zealand only gained the ability to amend their constitutions in the 1980's. This to me shows that rather than being a date of independence, the Statute of Westminister was just a step in the continuing evolution of the Dominions.
5.One could argue that the Dominions signature on the Versailles Treaty as well as their participation in the Legaue of Nations gave them international acceptance which is the key criteria of the constitutive Theory of Statehood.
6.The declarative theory of Statehood was arguably met on the date of their formation and most certainly met before the Statute of Westminister. The theory being.
1.Has a defined territory 2.Permanent population 3.A government 4.The capacity to enter into relations with other states.
Purpose & structure
editIs this just a flat list or looking to explain?
I would suggest making the 5 protectorates, and 2 mandates a separate table. In theory at least, both of these statuses are rather different than colonies. A Protectorate indicates a prior & concurrent local government. A Mandate is government by through international appointment (with specified limited rights). In both cases independence is not really FROM the UK. Shmuel A. Kam (talk) 19:12, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
President and prime minister
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Table of countries does not sort by name
editclicking on the country name column does not sort in alpha order ascending or descending; Tanganyika, United States, India, when descending order sorted; sort ascending is Jamaica, Maldives, Sudan. KarenISeattle (talk) 06:07, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Can you explain further? It seems to be working fine. Barry Wom (talk) 10:04, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Appears to be fixed now. KarenISeattle (talk) 19:50, 15 August 2024 (UTC)