Talk:List of United States Navy four-star admirals

March 2008

I believe Admiral George W. Anderson, Jr. (December 15,1906-March 20, 1992) should be on this list of 4 star admirals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LaGrassini (talk • contribs) 18:25, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

He's number 96 on the list. The tables are sortable, so if you click on the icon to the right of the word "Name" at the top of the second column, the entries will be relisted alphabetically by last name. - Morinao (talk) 19:34, 15 March 2008 (UTC

Add ? Adm Alan Burkehalter

Vice Adm Alan Burkehalter should be on tombstone Adm list ? /s/ Guan Yi Shi Pusa Jr, 69.121.221.97 (talk) 19:36, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Burkhalter was never advanced to the grade of full admiral, so no, he should not be added to the tombstone list. Neovu79 (talk) 23:00, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Warrants

Why do all the links where the word "warrant" appears go to the article for Midshipmen rather than Warrant officer or Warrant officer (United States)? --The Grumpy Hacker (talk) 16:30, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

New admiral

Admiral Harry B. Harris Jr. was promoted to Admiral today (October 16, 2013), and assumed command of United States Pacific Fleet shortly thereafter. (Audrey McAvoy (2013-10-16). "New commander to take over U.S. Pacific Fleet". Honolulu Star Advertiser. Retrieved 2013-10-16.) His biography is at: http://www.cpf.navy.mil/leaders/harry-harris/ Can someone please make the appropriate changes to the list? Mark M. at U.S. Pacific Fleet (talk) 01:23, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Four Stars

When Farragut was promoted to full admiral, it was a time when our Navy was still a small domestic Navy and not an international one. There was no need for a four-star admiral. Farragut became the first full admiral which at the time was three stars. This also applied to his step-brother David Porter. Here is the following:

One-Star: On July 16, 1862, congress authorized nine Rear Admirals, Farragut was among them.

Two-Stars: Two years later, Farragut became the first Vice-Admiral.

Three-Stars: On July 25, 1866, Farragut became the first Admiral.

Now, when Farragut died, his step-brother David D. Porter was promoted to Admiral and Stephen C. Rowan to Vice-Admiral. However, when they died Congress did not allow any more promotions to Admiral (Three Stars) nor Vice-Admiral (Two-Stars). That was until 1915 when Congress authorized an Admiral and Vice-Admiral for the Atlantic, Pacific and Asiatic Fleets.

Tony the Marine (talk) 22:43, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

While the dates are correct, the ranks are not. The Navy did not officially establish one-star rank commodore, which later was renamed to rear admiral (lower half) until 1981. At the time, Farragut never had a one-star rank. Farragut was promoted to the two-star rank of rear admiral on July 16, 1862. Vice admiral was never a two-star rank and admiral was never a three-star rank. Neovu79 (talk) 05:50, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Sounds fair enough, but out of curiosity, where did you get the info. from? Tony the Marine (talk) 17:42, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

A lot of U.S. Navy history can be found at the Naval History and Heritage Command, which is a U.S Navy's website, including the biography of Admiral Farragut. Neovu79 (talk) 18:36, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

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Four-star portraits and non-military posts

@Neovu79: Inquiring as to what approach we should take with the official portraits. When I changed them a few weeks ago (applies to the Army and Air Force lists as well), I used the latest/clearest official portraits I could find of them as a four-star general or admiral, not their latest portraits after being promoted to general of the Army of fleet admiral. As such, what standards should be set in this regard so as to establish consensus? Personally, I believe four-star portraits should be used.

Secondly, I have thoughts of adding the post-military positions of officers with leadership positions in military non-profit associations and organizations. For example, Carter Ham and Robert Brooks Brown have served as presidents/CEOs of the Association of the United States Army, and Peter Pace has been chairman of the board of trustees of the United States Naval Institute Foundation (USNI), housed on the grounds of the United States Naval Academy, since 2017. Should these be added? SuperWIKI (talk) 04:49, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

@SuperWIKI: That's a good question. My general belief is, since there isn't a very large list of 5-star officers, having portraits of them in there 5-star rank seems a little more impactful, but I do see your point, since this is a list about 4-star ranks.

I'm assuming that you wanted to add another column to list their post-military jobs. My fear is that we would oversaturate this list by providing too much information, but I would love to see what it would look like, if you have a draft of one. Neovu79 (talk) 23:39, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

That's not what I meant with the post-military jobs. The Notes column already lists political/government appointments and educational posts for the officers. With the examples above (Brown, Pace and Ham), should we add jobs in military non-profits as well, like the U.S. Naval Institute? Additionally, if there's no objection, should I restore the four-star portraits you changed back to five-star? SuperWIKI (talk) 23:46, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

If you feel that restoring the portraits to when they were four-stars is better, that's fine; I have no objections. As for adding non-profit jobs, I would say only if the jobs are WP:NOTABLE. If they aren't important in the grander scheme of things, then I would say leave it off. Neovu79 (talk) 01:01, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

I assume you mean in one way that the bodies they lead are important and WP:NOTABLE enough to have their own Wikipedia page, correct? SuperWIKI (talk) 01:44, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Correct. :) Neovu79 (talk) 01:45, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Changes

@Neovu79: you made a series of mass changes in a single edit, with the edit summary: "Undid revisions by 37.171.4.158 (talk) Added postions were not from when the officer was serving in uniform, but you also undid three unrelated edits I had made the previous day; that included unususal notes at the top of the tables, minor heading changes at References, and fixes to multiple cite errors. Can you take a look? Thanks - wolf 19:43, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@Thewolfchild, sorry, I really haven't had the time to look at this. If you would be able to restore what was amended by you, that would be greatly appreciated. The past several months, I've been working full time, taking evening college classes full time, and taking care of my father's medical needs. I just haven't had the time to devote on Wiki projects, like I used to. Neovu79 (talk) 05:35, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

@Neovu79: hey, no problem... RL is always the priority. I'll pick out my changes and redo them. Good luck to you and all that you have on your plate right now. - wolf 05:53, 23 March 2022 (UTC)