Talk:List of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees/Archive 1

Radio wing

Could somebody add a list of inductees to the radio wing? (eg. David Marsden). Samaritan 03:16, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

2006?

I have to imagine that the purported 2006 inductees are fake. The "current inductees" page (http://www.rockhall.com/hof/currinductees.asp) from the HoF site lists nothing past 2005.

Maybe they have been announced but not officially inducted yet? See here. Tuf-Kat 07:15, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Proposed change of format

I think we should re-organize this page so that all the inductees are listed together according to year instead of being split into categories. And besides, as it is, only the "Performers" section is even split into years. I think this page should be organized like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony page has the listings except that that page only has listings for the last several. That information can be deleted afterwards and perhaps in place of it we could mention which bands played at which ceremonies (as the bands don't always play themselves) and who were the inductors or whatever you call those people. But that's for a different page and can be dealt with later. How does that sound? Oh and we might even want to include the names of the individual inductees as some band members that aren't very noteworthy get left out.--Lairor 01:09, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Templatized list

Name	Year inducted	Influence	Recordings	Members and Notes
Chuck Berry	1986	Berry "comes the closest of any single figure to have invented rock and roll"... "Berry laid the groundwork for not only a rock and roll sound but a rock and roll stance"... "Berry wrote and performed rock and roll for the ages."	"Back in the U.S.A." - "Maybellene" - "Rock and Roll Music" - "Brown Eyed Handsome Man" - "Too Much Monkey Business" - "Roll Over Beethoven" - "Sweet Little Sixteen" - "School Day" - "Johnny B. Goode" - "Memphis"

That's a great idea. I believe we should begin to templatize this page with this format. Anyone agree? Doc Strange 12:09, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I am in the process of doing so here. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 00:55, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Eagles

Although the HOF web site calls them "The Eagles", all of their albums have called them just "Eagles". --grr 18:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

eric clapton inducted most?

it says that eric clapton was inducted 3 times making him the most but so was neil young —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.85.95.162 (talk) 05:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC).

Non-inductees

I removed the references to Clem Burke not being inducted with the Ramones and Sly Stone not being inducted with Parliament-Funkadelic. Playing three gigs with a band, or performing on a single track, wouldn't normally be considered enough to imply full membership in a band so as to warrant induction with them into the R&R HOF. It's not even worth mentioning that they weren't inducted with those bands because nobody would expect them to be. --Metropolitan90 05:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

yep. a piss stain alright. took em till 2004 or watever to get sabbath in? a piss stain. you disgust me. and since when is aretha frankiolin rock n roll?

-Yet you disgust us when you dont leave a signature.--Dr. Pizza 06:32, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

and your bad spelling and off topic rant. Doc Strange 12:10, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Rap in Rock and Roll upsets me and many others

Seriously, can anyone take the rock and roll hall of fame anymore? I'm not trying to start a flame war, but Rap is what KILLED Rock and Roll, and now its in the Hall of Fame? Thats a MAJOR slap to the face to real rockers, and i refuse to acknowledge the rock and roll hall of fame as a serious thing now.--Dr. Pizza 06:31, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

That's POV Doc Strange 22:18, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Pink Floyd

Pink Floyd "disbanded" many times yet at the same time never officially disbanded. While Waters left in the 80s they still went with the band name and may release another album eventually. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.155.146.60 (talk) 00:22, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Sam Cooke as a multiple inductee

I had put Sam Cooke in the "multiple inductee" list a while ago, and later noticed it was removed. Since the current revision of the article specifically states he was included for the early influence induction of the Soul Stirrers, I think it's fair that he should be reinstated in such a list as well. Why, that's one awkwardly-phrased comment. Mrbluesky (talk) 21:09, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

He previously wasn't there because I couldn't find a reliable source that said he was inducted as part of the Soul Stirrers, but I guess he could be added. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 21:10, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Mustaine is inducted with Metallica

he turned down the invite due to prior plans with priest but hes in the hall of fame now heres my source.http://www.spike.com/blog/dave-mustaine-turns/74612 Zakkman (talk) 11:53, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

You don't have to be inducted to be able to attend the ceremony. The official website still says he's not. Until it does, he shouldn't be included. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 13:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

List of women inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

My arguments for merging are largely the same as what were used in the afd. The page is a POV content fork with no proof of notability and could easily be merged into this page. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 12:21, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Performer Images

Why is it necessary to include an image next to almost every performer inducted? These images are large enough to cause significant load times and are small enough to hardly be identifiable. They are already incredibly numerous and at the rate the list is growing, this page will be almost unreadable in the future. If someone wants to look further into a performer they can easily do so by clicking on their name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brandoid (talk • contribs) 02:11, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

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WHY ISNT LEON RUSSELL IN THE RnR LIST?

Leon Russell, is IN the Rock n' Roll hall of fame, WHY is he not on there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.71.7.213 (talk) 23:21, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

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Removed images

I've removed the images from the tables. The page is no more informative with them than it is without them. It makes the tables look sloppy and it's poor presentation, especially on a featured list. It became a featured list just fine without the gratuitous overuse of images, and I don't think you'll find images used this way on any other featured list. Besides, a large number of these images look like indecipherable blobs when downsized far enough to squeeze into a table. --Bongwarrior (talk) 23:25, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Actually, List of Nobel laureates in Literature, List of Nobel laureates in Chemistry, List of Nobel Peace Prize laureates, List of Nobel laureates in Physics, List of Nobel laureates in Physiology or Medicine, List of National Parks of Canada, List of Presidents of the United States and many many others of similar types. Next time, do your research before making blanket claims. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:06, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Bongwarrior. The table looks better without the images. In these example lists most of the pictures are similar in height and lenght, but on this list the pictures vary in length and height, so it does look awful. Additionally, the "Inducted members" is too large and optically odd with those empty cells. Suggest move the pictures from the table to the right side, similar to the Vietnamese version. We then adjust the size and include the most qualitative pictures and exclude those depicting less notable artists. But of course this is just my opinion. Feel free to discuss this or make other suggestions. Regards.--♫GoP♫_T^C_N 12:02, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

That's what our page used to look like too. The reason the switch was made was because users kept switching images (since we can't display them all), so the decision was made to try incorporating them into the table. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 00:53, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Backup Bands

My stance on this is, since they didn't go through the standard nominating process that selects 6 inductees, i don't feel they qualify in the "Performers" section. RAP (talk) 0:38 10 March 2012 (UTC)

With all due respect, it doesn't matter what you think. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame makes up their own rules and even breaks them from time to time (ie. Their habit of inducting performer rejects into the other categories). We have to follow the source on this. If we don't follow a source, then anyone can make up their own category. Why not add a "rap" category, to differentiate them from the Rock bands? How about women? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 00:44, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Don't be an ass. They weren't in the nomination process that selected The Beastie Boys, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Guns n' Roses, etc. They were announced seperately, just as people like the Sidemen were. "Doesn't matter what i think". Who the hell do you think you are talking down to me like that? Who the hell do you think you are saying peoples opinions don't matter? That's just a terrible stance of life. RAP (talk) 0:49 10 March 2012 (UTC)

It's not me, it's Wikipedia policy that says it. I don't think it makes sense either. But, like it or not, they consider those 6 bands performer inductees. And according to wikipedia policy, that's all there is to it. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 00:52, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

It's policy to dismiss people's opinions? RAP (talk) 0:53 10 March 2012 (UTC)

"All information in Wikipedia must be verifiable." and "Wikipedia articles must not contain original research." The term "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist.". Enough said, really. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 00:56, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, here's my final two-cents on the matter: the area for "Performers" should only consist of the performers nominated and selected through the RRHOF's voting system. The Backup Bands should either not be in there or in a seperate area designated for them. Besides, every musician is a performer, so if it were to apply to Backup Bands, it would apply to the other musicians inducted. 'Nuff said. RAP (talk) 1:45 11 March 2012 (UTC)

The edit war here needs to stop before I file a 3RRNB report. This is a featured list, and two editors are both over the limit by reverting each other repeatedly. Please stop the edit-warring on your own before it is stopped for you. Doc talk 00:41, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm only reverting because i want him to talk it out here. It must be left in the state it was when the discussion was opened. RAP (talk) 0:43 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Wait, wait, what? I've been trying to start a discussion on your talk page since the first revert! -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 00:44, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Well I have already reported one of you but an administrator may decide to block both of you JayJay ^{Talk to me} 01:08, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I think the problem here is that you don't understand the situation. The RRHOF is essentially correcting what they believe is a mistake. They inducted performers like Buddy Holly and Smokey Robinson as individuals, when their backing bands played a huge role in the careers. Indeed, one of the biggest controversies the Hall has faced was that they inducted Smokey and not The Miracles. So, basically all the Hall is doing is correcting these mistakes and adding to existing inductees.

And let me explain the principle behind Wikipedia's OR policy. Sure, what you say makes some sense. But, the main source on the matter (the RRHOF website) disagrees with you. Why should your opinion hold more weight than the Rock Hall's official website? If we go against them in this case, why not in others? What if some user were to come along and believe that rappers shouldn't be listed along side "true" rock bands and created a category for them? It's a massive can of worms that should not be opened. That's why wikipedia says we have to follow what the source says, no matter what we think.

In the end, you seem to be more concerned with pointing out the Rock Halls inconsistancies than with policy. The truth is that they go against their own rules all the time. There are two other cases of this in this year alone (inducting 6 instead of 5; inducting Freddie King, nominated as a performer, into a different category). You said you find the RRHOF a "sham". I find that editors should not edit pages for things they disaree with because 9 times out of 10 they will only make edits that push their agenda and will not do what is best to make a quality article. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:20, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Not this again. I'd have no problem with adding a note, but policy is clear on this, we have to follow what the source says. You just keep bringing up WP:IDONTLIKEIT arguments. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 21:26, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

That's precisely what i'm doing. They are in a seperate table, not a different category. They are still filed under Performers, they're just in their own table section underneath. It's a fair compromise, but your hunger for complete control of this article seems to be blinding your senses. RAP (talk) 22:47 2 April 2012 (UTC)

You're still seperating them. That's not a compromise in any way. That's you saying "HERE'S A COMPROMISE!!!" and then demanding it be accepted. Like I said, I'd have no problem with labelling them as being different. But, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame considers them performers and lists them with all the other performers. Like I said above, if we move them to a different section (or, in this case, table), why not do it for other major divisions like women and rap? You don't like this, I get that. I'm not a fan of it either. But, wikipedia policy... Wait, why am I bothering citing policy to you? I've done it before, you ignored it. You're just like the many new users who think their opinion matters more than official sources and wikipedia policy. I really think you should just drop it. Policy is on my side, and there is now a note that says they are different. If the RRHOF changes them to a different category, then so should we. Not before. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:41, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay, both of you. As it says in WP:3RR, "Even without a 3RR violation, an administrator may still act if they believe a user's behavior constitutes edit warring, and any user may report edit-warring with or without 3RR being breached. The rule is not an entitlement to revert a page a specific number of times." You've filed a Third Opinion request, wait for a response and then talk out the issue here. If you can't come to agreement, go on to further DR or request an RFC, but stop editing and reverting over this issue. You've both been blocked once over this and the next block will be both easier and longer. Don't do that to yourselves. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) | DR goes to Wikimania! 00:29, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Ditto. That block wasn't very long ago at all, and the pattern is repeating itself. It should be noted that one can't ever erase their block log, and the longer the block log is, the less seriously you're going to be taken around here. Don't be labelled an "edit warrior", either of you: it's a life sentence in many cases. Doc talk 00:34, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

I decided to revert him again, because I can't stand seeing articles with factual inaccuracies. Besides, the user has shown that he has no will to engage in discussion for as long as he gets his own way. So the only way to get him to discuss is to revert him. I don't like it, but it's true. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:51, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

The only way to get him to discuss is to revert him? No! This is precisely why we have the edit-warring policy and 3RR rule in the first place! Don't say I didn't warn ya... Doc talk 02:01, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Look at the facts: From the very beginning I've tried to engage the user, first on his talk page, then here. He didn't respond until after his fourth revert. After the block. The user had several weeks to respond to me. Never did. Suddenly, out of nowhere, he implements his "compromise" without any kind of discussion and without trying to work it out (a compromise is supposed to be something both sides agree to, not something one side forces upon the other). How am I supposed to discuss things with such a user? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:04, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

What i don't understand is how my edit was considered "unhelpful". The table is still under "Performers", therefore they are still in the category they are considered to be. The only difference is they're in a different table. I even left a note explaining this on the page, but he chose to enforce his stance. My view is yes, they're performers. But they are different from the others, mainly because the other performers were inducted through nomination, while these were selected by a committee. I feel this way is fair, as it still makes them fall under Performers and keeps them their own. A subtle distinction. You keeping using what the RRHOF decree, but you failed to notice how it still follows the RRHOF's view of the group. And your final statement is quite hypocritical, as you reverted my compromise without so much as a second thought. What you thought was "Oh no, my precious table's been edited by someone other than me, gotta revert it!" Please read WP:OWN. RAP (talk) 2:12 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Ah yes, the over-used WP:OWN claim. Generally used when one user knows they have a weak case. It may not be a new section, but it's still a new table, and most users will immediately think it's a different category. And what happens in two years, when new inductees have been introduced? You're left with a table completely separate from the current one. And like I said, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame considers these to be "corrections" more than anything. They're basically saying they should have inducted Smokey Robinson & The Miracles as opposed to just Smokey. Hence why they are all in the same category. Besides, why should they have to be seperated? Yes, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame broke their own rules, but they do it all the time. While we're at it, we should split up Freddie King and Wanda Jackson from the early influences, because they weren't inducted in the proper manner either. Presently, they're listed in the performers table, with a note about the special circumstances. What's wrong with that? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:23, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

...Then why not add the band to the singer's entry with a note distingusihing their seperate inductions? RAP (talk) 2:25 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Because that's not what the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame does. You should try checking sources every now and then. It's not difficult. And I'm curious why you haven't even commented on my idea of combining the tables but including a note. Could it be that you haven't bothered looking at my edit (something you've accused me of?) -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:29, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Rock Hall, Rock Hall, Rock Hall! Maybe we should tag the article, it's starting to seem you work there or something. I'm not filing them in a new category, i'm placing them in a seperate table, still under performers, so that people can make an easy distinction between the inductees and the selected. And the only way to get me to talk isn't by reverting me. It aggravates me that some people want to control everything. RAP (talk) 13:04 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Since you haven't commented on my suggestion, does that mean you accept it? It satisfies both our demands: it makes the distinction between the inductees (your demand) and keeps the tables together (my demand). -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 13:17, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

I've repeatedly rejected the two tables merging. There has to be a more clear distinction than a tiny note. Seperate tables in the same category suits them fine. And these aren't demands, they are constructive suggestions. RAP (talk) 14:12 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Why does there need to be a "clear distinction" rather than just a normal distinction? A distinction is made, that should be enough. I should also point that most other sources I've seen use a similar method. For example, FutureRockLegends lists them with the performers, but includes an asterisk. What is so objectionable about that? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 16:44, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

I have asked the sysop who blocked both of you last time to consider reblocking you. The request is here if you wish to comment upon it. — TransporterMan (TALK) | DR goes to Wikimania! 03:52, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

I am providing a Third Opinion because this dispute was listed there. My opinion is:

• 1. Both editors need to stop edit-warring and be more civil.
  2. This page: [RRHOF inductees] list the backup bands as 2012 Performer inductees, just like Guns N' Roses, etc. These entries belong in the same list as all the rest of the performers, listed under induction year 2012. These inductees should have a note on their entries explaining what the RRHOF did.

Zad68 (talk) 17:52, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Request for voluntary restrictions

• I would like RAP and Scorpion to agree to a WP:0RR restriction on this page, meaning you discuss before reverting. You could still tag the disputed content instead if appropriate. An agreement not to make snide remarks in edit summaries would be nice as well. Discussion is what you do instead of edit warring, not what you do during or after you edit war. I would have thought this was made perfectly clear to both of you last time you edit warred here. Please indicate whether or not you will accept a 0RR restriction on this page. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:46, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

• I've fully protected the page for a day to give you both time to think about this. I could have (and possibly should have) blocked the two of you instead, practically every edit since the two of you were blocked ins more edit warring. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:51, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

• "I could have (and possibly should have) blocked the two of you" There's no possibly about it, to be honest. I'm quite surprised we weren't both blocked last night. But yes, I agree to that. Out of curiosity, could you provide a third opinion in our dispute? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 19:08, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

In a word, no. Only because that would make me an involved admin and I would not be able to take any further administrative action regarding this issue. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:58, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Red Hot Chili Peppers

It has been mentioned in various articles that the members being inducted are Kiedis, Flea, Smith, Klinghoffer, Frusciante, Slovak, Irons and Martinez. It has been confirmed the current lineup along with Jack Irons and Cliff Martinez will attend/accept and according to drummer Chad Smith, will perform however Frusciante will not attend. Dave Navarro and Jack Sherman, who both played on albums will not attend and Sherman says he wasnt invited (this being due to a history of bad blood between him and Kiedis). Chris Rock will induct the band. There is an article out there stating Klinghoffer will be the youngest ever inducted passing Stevie Wonder, who was originaly the youngest. Jason1978 (talk) 09:51, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Who is/isn't invited doesn't mean anything when it comes to who will be inducted. Dave Mustaine was invited to Metallica's induction even though he wasn't inducted with the group. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 21:33, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

History & Credibility of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame business venture?

Just a suggestion, would it be possible to consider adding a section about the history of this... "organization" and/or "business venture" that was co-founded, owned and/or operated by the music mogul Jan Wenner?

It's history and credibility seem to be just to be a bit on the shady side.

Is the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame a non-profit or for profit business?

Is Jan Wenner part or full owner of this business and what is he doing with the proceeds from the mountains of merchandise being sold (t-shirts, DVDs, shot glasses, souvenir baseballs, pins, etc.)?

This place seems to be little more than a road side attraction/tourist trap where he pawns off cheaply made souvenirs on unsuspecting tourists.

This place has already become notorious with having ZERO credibility among fans of Rock and Roll music. The criteria for being "inducted" consists of Mr. Wenner selecting and artist and having an employee hand them a cheaply made trophy at a VERY EXPENSIVE dinner ceremony.

Records sold, charted hits, revenue made, etc. have zero influence in the final say of the inductees.

It would be nice to get to the bottom of this for the record.

71.55.127.80 (talk) 12:47, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

The E St Band

They are missing from the 2014 list, in some fashion. ````Bigbonesbilly — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigbonesbilly (talk • contribs) 20:17, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Ringo Starr

Somebody keeps removing Ringo Starr from the 2015 inductees into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. He was inducted, he is even listed on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame website as an inductee. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.130.7.66 (talk) 13:32, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

E Street Band again

There's an endnote for the E Street Band (Award for Musical Excellence section) that's not connected to anything. When you click it, it jumps up to the endnote for the Ink Spots in the Early Influences section. --(agnamaracs) (talk) 13:42, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Inductees

Why do the names of the sole artists have their name again unlink. I've tried to edit them but, for some reason, I can't as it comes up like it hasn't been edited. Bob3458 (talk) 21:15, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Backing Bands

I'm reopening a prior discussion in relation to the inclusion of Backing Bands in the general Performers section. I stated before that they were not apart of the general nomination process the Hall does each year. I believe they should be included in their own section, especially considering four years later it;'s clearly not a trend they've continued with. Rusted AutoParts 19:09, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

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Why in the world is the Band Free and Bad Co and Paul Kossoff guitars in free not in I find this wrong being a life time musicians myself if the Band Rush is in there them way not the Band Free Teddy Scalise (talk) 11:02, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

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I think there should be designations on each inductee's articles in their bio boxes about Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction, much like is done for American sports Hall of Fame inductees. How would one get a consensus about this? Kb5694 (talk) 16:12, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

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Combined list with Country Music Hall of Fame inductees

Idea for future article is combining artists that are in both the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and the Country Music Hall of Fame. There are a dozen so far, most recently Ray Charles joining this list. Chris (talk) 23:46, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

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Ringo Starr’s Second induction

In his induction for musical excellency, his instrument is listed as N/A, when everyone and their grandmas (especially their grandmas) knows he’s one of the best drummers to have lived 2A00:23C4:800:3C00:FDE1:F363:1FE9:5A66 (talk) 23:04, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

He wasn't specifically inducted for being a drummer. The "instrument" section denotes individuals who were inducted in that category when it was called "sidemen". Since it was changed to "Award for Musical Excellence", inductees are not inducted based on their work on a specific instrument, including Starr. Ostensibly, Starr's section induction is also for his solo work. Doc Strange^MailboxLogbook 23:14, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Question re: Alphabetical sorting for bands names especially for acts named "[Lead performer] and the [rest of the band]"

When sorting the Performers category into alphabetical order, there are two different methods used for bands names especially for acts named "[Lead performer] and the [rest of the band]"

• Sort by the first letter of the band's name: Alice Cooper (band), Booker T. & the M.G.'s, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, Little Anthony and the Imperials, Martha and the Vandellas, and Sly and the Family Stone.

• Sort by the first letter of the lead performer's last name: The Paul Butterfield Blues Band, The Dave Clark Five, Elvis Costello & the Attractions, The Jimi Hendrix Experience, Gladys Knight & the Pips, Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers, and Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers.

I was wondering why two different methods are used? Is the sort by "first letter" method used when the lead performer is using a stage name? That can't be entirely true as "Elvis Costello" is a stage name for Declan Patrick MacManus but Elvis Costello & the Attractions is sorted under "C" for "Costello".

Is the sort by "last name" method used when the lead performer is using his/her actual name (with the above-mentioned Elvis Costello as the exception to this rule?

I don't have any disagreement with either sorting method, I'm just curious about it. Mtminchi08 (talk) 01:35, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

This is more of a Wikipedia-wide thing than just this page. Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, on their own page, have a category DEFAULTSORT as "Petty and the Heartbreakers, Tom", same with Gladys Knight & The Pips, who are sorted as "Knight, Gladys and the Pips". Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, meanwhile are listed with DEFAULTSORT as just that. You might be able to find more information in one of the WP:MOS pages, particularly WP:MOSMUSIC. Doc Strange^MailboxLogbook 01:47, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank for the quick response. This brings back memories of going into different music stores and having to look under both "J" and "H" to locate The Jimi Hendrix Experience! Mtminchi08 (talk) 02:18, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

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nominated..

is the "nominated" list a compete list? As short as it is it would seem they induct almost every nominee if this is a compete list. In any case if anyone knows the article should indicate if it is a complete list or not. 2600:1702:3B50:4680:B1CB:2157:4384:EBBF (talk) 16:12, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

It is indeed a complete list of artists who were nominated but not inducted. The Hall only nominates a handful of artists each year, many of whom appear on multiple ballots if they are not chosen, and an artist who is nominated multiple times is typically eventually inducted. Hence, the relatively small list of artists who were nominated but not inducted - albeit one that is over 40 artists, and I wouldn't call that short. I added the word complete to that section, although I think it makes that sentence a little ungainly. Doc Strange^MailboxLogbook 17:20, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Mick Jones

Mick Jones was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a member of The Clash in 2003.

Mick Jones will be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a member of Foreigner if that group is included in this year's class of inductees.

There will be two different people named Mick Jones listed as inductees but neither of them will be multiple inductees. We may want to include a mention about this slightly unusual circumstance in the "Individuals inducted twice or more" section, assuming of course that Foreigner is among the inductees in 2024.

Mtminchi08 (talk) 15:26, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

James Taylor times two

There are now two people named James Taylor in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, James Taylor, the solo artist inducted in 2000 and James "J.T." Taylor of Kool & the Gang who will be inducted in 2024. Similar to the Mick Jones situation noted above, there's two people with the same name but neither is a double inductee. Mtminchi08 (talk) 23:58, 22 April 2024 (UTC)