Talk:List of NBA single-season scoring leaders

Remedial lessons on the NBA and on English for TyrusThomas4lyf

As most people know, the 70 game/1400 point minimum is standard and not arbitrary; see http://www.sportsline.com/nba/stats/preseason for example. And since you (TyrusThomas4lyf) made it clear in your April 21 edit that you don't understand the elementary distinction between conjunction and disjunction, let me make it clear for you here. A criteria "A or B" means only one of "A" or "B" needs to be satisfied for the criteria to be satisfied. It is for this reason that Bernard King won the NBA scoring title in the 1984-85 season in spite of playing in only 55 games. Similarly, for rebounds, there's a 70 game/800 rebound minimum. This is how Bill Walton won the 1976-77 rebounding title in spite of playing in only 65 games. Do you understand this now? Myasuda 13:10, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Says the same thing on espn.com:[1] 70 or 1,400. Ray Allen is fifth and played 55 games. Quadzilla99 01:08, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh so it's different for different eras, I guess. I'll have to look into it further. Quadzilla99 01:10, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes it is. 70 gm/1400 pts only applies to 1975-1990 and 2000-present or something along those lines.--TyrusThomas4lyf 05:02, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Learning how to read for Myasuda

It is nice to see that you are always on your most pompous of behavior. Now here is a fact. The minimum requirement to qualify for a rate statistic in 1962 (in reference to Elgin Baylor's season) was 68 games. Not 1400 points. Not 70 games. 68 games. There is no optional alternative to the number of games. See this: http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/faq.html#rate. As you can see, Elgin Baylor clearly does not qualify, nor does he approach the requirement. This is why it is not honored by any credible reference list; because it doesn't qualify. I hope that you've learned a "lesson". TyrusThomas4lyf 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Tsk tsk. This is simply the criteria for http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/faq.html. It is not an official NBA qualification level. Find an official source that supports these levels to support your case. Myasuda 00:59, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Additional edification for TyrusThomas4lyf

Actually, I'm feeling a little charitable at the moment, so I'll save my good friend TyrusThomas4lyf from spending more time trying to locate an official source for the http://www.basketball-reference.com minimum requirement levels. Quite simply, there is no official NBA source for these values. As is well known, the NBA league leaders prior to 1969-70 were not determined by "per game" values but by aggregate totals. Because of this, there were no minimum requirements for the categories of points, rebounds, and assists prior to 1969-70. As to how http://www.basketball-reference.com came up with their unofficial minimums, it's actually quite simple. What they chose to do for seasons prior to 1969-70 is multiply the total number of games played during the season by 70/82 — obviously an ahistorical adjustment (and, incidentally, even if I agreed with it in principle, I would object to their decision to round the values to the nearest integer as opposed to rounding up). So, the question of what minimum to support is not answered by the link supplied by TyrusThomas4lyf.

Personally, I feel that the most reasonable approach for this article's list is to apply a uniform minimum standard to the table, and the natural minimum to apply is the current one — namely, the one that has been in place ever since the NBA decided to determine its league leaders by per game rates as opposed to aggregates. In the case of scoring, that criteria is 70 games/1400 points. Although TyrusThomas4lyf is adamantly opposed to Baylor's inclusion on the list (for reasons that are clear), I'm sure that even he would agree that if an NBA player scored 1836 points in 48 games in the 2007-08 season, then that player would be eligible to win the NBA scoring title and would therefore be eligible for this article's list. Myasuda 07:12, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

This does seem to support including Baylor:[2] Quadzilla99 08:00, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Myasuda's OPINION is not a justifiable reason, but the fact that the NBA chooses to honor it, as provided by Quadzilla, will change my mind.--TyrusThomas4lyf 11:24, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

BTW why does this go to 21? Extend it to 25, or cut it at 20.--TyrusThomas4lyf 11:26, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Violation of WP:NOT?

Can someone please explain to me how this article is not a violation of our policy stating that Wikipedia is not a collection of statistics:

"Long and sprawling lists of statistics may be confusing to readers and reduce the readibility and neatness of our articles. In addition, articles should contain sufficient explanatory text to put statistics within the article in their proper context for a general reader. Articles which are primarily comprised of statistical data may be better suited for inclusion in Wikisource as freely available reference material for the construction of related encyclopedic articles on that topic. Infoboxes or tables should also be considered to enhance the readability of lengthy data lists."

I thought it would be better to ask here rather than send this straight to AfD. --ElKevbo 03:21, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

User RfC related to this article

See Wikipedia:Requests for comment/TyrusThomas4lyf. Quadzilla99 11:11, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Why is Baylor's 1961-62 scoring average listed?

As he only played in 38 games that season, his average is not acknowledged among the all-time leaders in a historical perspective. For a simple proof of this, see one of the numerous editions of the Official NBA Guide published by The Sporting News in cooperation with Elias Sports Bureau. They publish the official record book. For instance, I am currently looking at the 2004-05 Official NBA Guide. It lists the top five single-season scoring averages of all-time.

Highest average, points per game, season

50.4 - Wilt Chamberlain 44.8 - Wilt Chamberlain 38.4 - Wilt Chamberlain 37.6 - Wilt Chamberlain 37.1 - Michael Jordan

You will notice, therefore, that Baylor's 1961-62 season is not acknowledged by the NBA in the record book. I would go into more detail with the teams and seasons, but those are already listed of course and will save myself some extraneous typing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.31.252.152 (talk) 03:21, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

First of all, I will not be accused of something I am not. Anyhow, back to the relevant topic at hand, the NBA's official record book does not acknowledge Baylor's feat. That should be the end of the discussion right there. It is not officially recognized, therefore it does not belong on this list. Perhaps within its own season, it would be considered due to it possibly not having any other scoring average close to it, but it is not recognized in an all-time perspective. Any personal opinions or reasons for including this do not overrule the NBA's own say. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.31.252.152 (talk) 20:47, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

The references in the article are not the NBA itself. The Official NBA Guide and Record Book, however, is the definitive reference (which should be self-evident). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.31.252.152 (talk) 20:48, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Struck out banned user User:TyrusThomas4lyf sock-puppet edits. Banned users are not permitted to participate on wikipedia. Clearly a sock -- compare the edit histories of 75.31.252.152 (talk · contribs · logs), 99.141.23.146 (talk · contribs · logs), and 99.141.34.37 (talk · contribs · logs). See Wikipedia:Requests for comment/TyrusThomas4lyf for additional background. — Myasuda (talk) 23:22, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Note: If any *non-sock* of banned user User:TyrusThomas4lyf wishes to discuss the Baylor entry in the list, I am more than happy to engage in a cordial debate on this matter. It's a perfectly reasonable discussion point. However, banned users should not be given a platform on this forum (they're banned, after all). — Myasuda (talk) 03:21, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Elgin Baylor

Baylor's row has been restored for the following reasons. First, Baylor's row meets the criteria at the top of the list (70 games or 1400 points), which is the standard NBA qualification minimum. If a player posted Baylor's stats for the upcoming NBA season, he would be eligible for the scoring title. Second, Baylor's inclusion is supported by the references in the article. Third, the banned user User:TyrusThomas4lyf sock-puppet who added the previous discussion comment should not be rewarded for persistent sock-puppetry. — Myasuda (talk) 04:50, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

(Comments by IP sock of banned user removed) Dayewalker (talk) 03:10, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2015

Elgin Baylor ne doit pas figurer dans ce classement (à la 3e place) car il n'a disputé QUE 48 matchs - voir : http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/rate_stat_req.html 90.53.252.192 (talk) 11:57, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Translation: Elgin Baylor should not be included in this ranking (in 3rd place) because he only played 48 games - see (link)

Not done for now: Based on the previous discussions, consensus seems to be to leave Baylor in this list, so I would consider this a controversial request under WP:EDITREQ and not complete this request purely on procedural grounds. That said, I very much see the IP editor's point - based on the criteria in the lede ("based on at least 70 games played or 1400 points scored") it seems like Baylor would not qualify for this list since his season had neither 70 games played nor 1400 points.

@Myasuda: - I know this went down years ago, but can you clear up what's going on here? --ElHef (Meep?) 17:22, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Ah yes, the 70 game or 1400 point scored is the standard NBA scoring qualification criterion today. It means that if either one of these two conditions is satisfied, then the player is both under consideration for the season scoring title and is listed among the NBA scoring leaders for the season. It is for this reason that Bernard King from the 1984-85 season and Russell Westbrook from the past 2014-15 season (for example) are listed at List of National Basketball Association season scoring leaders in spite of playing fewer than 70 games during the regular season. Under the same criterion, Baylor would qualify since he scored more than 1400 points in 1961-62. — Myasuda (talk) 00:55, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Oh, derp. I was looking at the FG column rather than the points. No wonder that didn't make any sense. Thanks for the quick reply. Closing request as Not done. --ElHef (Meep?) 02:58, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

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