Talk:List of Jewish ghettos in German-occupied Poland

Ghetto in Kalisz

Should be listed.Xx236 (talk) 08:43, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Kalisz never had a Nazi era ghetto. In September 1939 half the Jews left the city. The rest were shipped to GG before the end of the year. Poeticbent talk 15:39, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

OK, I was wrong. Let's go to pl:Heidemühle (listed here under Polish name Kowale Pańskie), the Polish article lists several ghettos (Turek, Dobra) not listed here.Xx236 (talk) 06:36, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

I have corrected Łasko to Łask.Xx236 (talk) 06:42, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

According to Ghettos in Nazi-occupied Europe there was a ghetto in Odrzywół.Xx236 (talk) 06:53, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

According to Polish Wikipedia the ghetto existed 1939-1942.Xx236 (talk) 08:51, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

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Paragraph added to aftermath

Hello,

My addition is not meant to offend any other editors, just expanding to the aftermath. Please feel free to edit or expand it. Thank you so much! -LoganSal

German-occupied Poland had many parts

The German-occupied Poland was divided into many parts. Any part had its own history. Generally lands annected to Reich were different than GG. Description of occupied Poland falsely suggests some form of integration or authonomy.Xx236 (talk) 09:48, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Some Jewish populations remained in the ghettos after the end of the war. The more prominent ghetto being the Warsaw ghetto.

The Warsaw ghetto was completely destroyed and used by Germans as a concentration camp. After the 1944 uprising all Warsaw inhabitants were epelled. A number of hiding people, like Szpilman (The Pianist), didn't live in the ghetto.Xx236 (talk) 07:35, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Now I understand. The quoted source describes the situation between the two uprisings 1943 and 1944, not "after the war".Xx236 (talk) 07:39, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

User:LoganSal experimented and left. Please verify his edit or rewrite.Xx236 (talk) 09:01, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

List of Jewish ghettos in occupied Poland section

Today, another ghetto was added to the list, after number 6 (it is the correct location). With the hardcoded sequence numbers in the left-most column, this means someone will have to renumber nearly every entry in the list. Is there someway to change column 1 to automatic numbering? Hmains (talk) 16:01, 23 March 2020 (UTC) Hi yes it is charc2018 who added this - i thought it was important to add this ghetto but couldn't figure how to update the numbers. sorry about that

Requested move 30 May 2020

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 02:22, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

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Jewish ghettos in German-occupied Poland → Nazi ghettos in occupied Poland – For consistency with Nazi ghettos of the same timeframe. --K.e.coffman (talk) 18:54, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

• Comment. I'm all for consistency with the main article, but calling them Nazi ghettos instead of Jewish ghettos seems confusing to me. Usually ghettos are named for the type of people who live in them not the people who force others to live in them. Rreagan007 (talk) 01:51, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
  • There were no other ghettos in occupied Poland except for the Jews. --K.e.coffman (talk) 02:52, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
• Opppose. I am all for consistency, but the current title is more consistent, and I'd rather rename Nazi ghettos to Jewish ghettos in German Nazi-controlled territories. Sometimes longer is better as more informative. The only change I can think to the current title would be to add the word Nazi to it (Jewish ghettos in Nazi German-occupied Poland). Remember, many people, particularly outside the western culture, don't know that much about WWII or TH (see also the Polish camps controversy). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:37, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Support Jewish ghetto is a term used for Jewish quarters that existed prior to WWII, the ones during the war are called "Nazi ghettos" in most English language scholarship, to distinguish from previous ghettos. See for instance buidhe 22:51, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Actually I would prefer Nazi ghettos in Poland per WP:CONCISE. Stating that they are Nazi removes all ambiguity about who was running them. buidhe 02:52, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose - I think "Nazi ghettos" is the less helpful term and the one that should be renamed. Scholarship gets away with it because everybody is assumed to know what's being referred to, but to a general reader a ghetto should be named according to who's segregated in it. "Jewish ghettos under Nazi rule"? I dunno. Magic9mushroom (talk) 09:56, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

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Teleology

This text is currently in the header: "Most ghettos were established between October 1939 and July 1942 in order to confine and segregate Poland's Jewish population of about 3.5 million for the purpose of persecution, terror, and exploitation."

I feel like the attribution of explicit "we'll do this because we want to terrorise the Jews" motives to Nazi policymaking might be a bit off-base. They wanted to control the Jews, certainly. They wanted to seize their property, certainly. They wanted to cut them out of society, certainly. But "for the purpose of persecution and terror"? That sounds a bit ridiculous. It certainly was persecution and it certainly did cause terror, but that attribution of cartoon-villain "because it's evil" motive strikes me as a probable caricature. If someone has a citation of the Nazis actually saying "we're building ghettos because we want the Jews to be scared" or something of that ilk then I'll gladly retract. Magic9mushroom (talk) 10:14, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 11:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

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Jewish ghettos in German-occupied Poland → List of Jewish ghettos in German-occupied Poland – Page is Graded C; much of the problem is lack of organization and coordination with related pages such as Nazi ghettos and the Holocaust in Poland. Page was originally created as a list of Jewish ghettos in occupied Poland, which is the vast majority of its content; propose removing "Holocaust" section (which is literally "Whole Burning") and which is only one part and tactic of the larger Nazi programme of Jewish elimination, and that its material should be merged into the lead and/or into main articles. Nissimnanach (talk) 16:31, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

• Support (after target title changed) *Oppose - but I would support the move to --> List of Jewish ghettos in German-occupied Poland for accuracy. The Soviet Union also occupied Poland for a while, and no such Ghettos were formed under that occupation, so we need to be clear which occupation it is. - GizzyCatBella🍁 20:07, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
• @GizzyCatBella: I agree; is it early enough that we can change the name of the request above, or do we just ride it out? Nissimnanach (talk) 02:34, 28 April 2021 (UTC)Nissimnanach

  Up to you but if you change it now I will change to “support” .. - GizzyCatBella🍁 03:37, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

  @GizzyCatBella: Done Nissimnanach (talk) 13:10, 28 April 2021 (UTC)Nissimnanach

• Comment. I am ambivalent (not opposing, not supporting). This is a list, yes, but also a short article, and it should be both. One day, perhaps, the article will be long enough that a list will merit splitting, but right now I don't think it is necessary. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:35, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

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Miechow

change ((Miechow)) to ((Miechów)) 2601:541:4580:8500:983D:84D3:D1C9:1FE1 (talk) 17:57, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done DarthFlappy 19:32, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Brzesko in the list, incorrect formatting

Can you please update the entry for Brzesko so it sorts correctly?

|-
| align=right |<!-- List needs renumbering -->
|{{space|2}}[[Brzesko Ghetto|Brzesko]]
| align=right |4,000-6,000{{space|3}}
| align=right |{{sort|1941|fall 1941}}{{space|2}}
| align=right |{{sort|1942–09|Sep 1942}}{{space|2}}
|{{space|2}}to [[Auschwitz concentration camp|Auschwitz]] and [[Belzec extermination camp|Belzec]]
|-

Tracerneo (talk) 11:11, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 September 2023

Hello, I am requesting that the Bielsk Podlaski ghetto be added to the list of ghettos established in 1941. Here are the details:

Location: Bielsk Podlaski, link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielsk_Podlaski Population: 11,000 – 15,1000 Date of creation: August 1941 Date of liquidation: November 1942 Final destination: Treblinka, many killed locally

Please add footnotes to the following sources:

The Bielsk Podlaski Ghetto - Eyewitness Holocaust testimony of life and death in the Bielsk Podlaski ghetto https://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Bielsk_Podlaski/Bielsk_ghetto.html

and

The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Encyclopedia of Camps and Ghettos, 1933–1945 Volume 2, Part 1, page 871 https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt2050wk1.19?seq=17 Inmemory48 (talk) 20:06, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:34, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Tarłów Ghetto Addition to List

Greetings, I wanted to ask here to see if someone with proper access (500+ edits) would add the Tarłów ghetto to the list on the page. The population of Jews this ghetto was approximately 1,500 from Tarlow (closed ghetto) and another 5,500 Jews from gathered from nearby villages. The operation was complete by October 18, 1942. the next day (19th Oct) the ghetto was liquidated and marched to Jasice station, 21km away, and then into freight card to the Treblinka extermination camp. (https://muzeum1939.pl/premiera-filmu-bez-prawa-do-zycia-w-tarlowie/aktualnosci/5708.html) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffl8OuZaWGg&ab_channel=MuzeumIIWojny%C5%9AwiatowejwGda%C5%84sku)

More information on the Tarłów wikpedia page. Thank you to anyone who has access.

8barzmusic (talk) 01:30, 24 March 2024 (UTC)