Talk:List of European Union cities proper by population density

September 2010

Any problem with this voice? Any copyright on the name of the city ?

p.s If I foregot some city feel you free to correct and\or add city to the list... (to correct is better than delete ;-) ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aid85 (talk • contribs) 13:09, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

October 2010

Hmm, it seems that Barcelona is missing from this list. It's listed as having a pop. density of 15,991/km2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.3.91.175 (talk) 10:46, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Cities versus municipalities

Saint-Josse-ten-Noode which is ranked 3rd is not a city, it is the smallest of the 19 municipalities of Brussels (several of which are also listed). With a surface area barely over 1 km2 it makes no sense to compare its density to that of megacities like Paris and Moscow. I suggest removing all the Belgian entries and replacing them with a single one for Brussels. 84.199.103.87 (talk) 10:33, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Missing municipalities

This list is quite incomplete. Many cities/municipalities, especially from Southern Europe (where the population density tends to be higher than in Northern/Eastern European municipalities, are missing. Therefore the entire list is quite useless, in my eyes. Even Barcelona, one of the most famous examples for a city with a high population density was missing until I added it. This article is a masterpiece for misinformation. LOS163 (talk) 20:04, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Novokosino - municipality East from Moscow has population density 27972,2 /km2 http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE_(%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%BD_%D0%9C%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B2%D1%8B) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.33.214.244 (talk) 08:50, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Page title

If it's seen as acceptable to include cities from Belarus and Russia in the list, can the page title please be changed to remove the word Union? Neither Belarus nor Russia is part of the EU. Alternatively, if the page is to be a list of EU cities, then all cities that are not in EU member countries should be removed. Rossh1 (talk) 17:52, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Factual accuracy

The list section is missing at least one city, Grenoble, which ranks above Bilbao. It's likely missing others since we don't have a way to identify the denest cities in the EU. Rob984 (talk) 21:17, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Also missing is Portsmouth pop 238,137 area approx 10sq miles. Ref Wikipedia and https://www.welcometoportsmouth.co.uk/portsmouth-geography.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.26.29.174 (talk) 08:38, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

London: County or City?

It appears that by including London, the OP has confused the population of 8 mill+ who live in the COUNTY of London with those who reside in the City of London, which is an area of about 1 sq mile, and has a population of about 10k. The City of London and The City of Westminster are administrative districts within the County of London.46.7.195.132 (talk) 16:12, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

The common understanding of London is that Greater London forms the city proper. The City of London is largely ceremonial at this point, and otherwise has similar status to the other London boroughs, which AFAICT are largely analogous to New York City's boroughs. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London#Local_government:

The administration of London is formed of two tiers: a citywide, strategic tier and a local tier. Citywide administration is coordinated by the Greater London Authority (GLA), while local administration is carried out by 33 smaller authorities

--47.151.152.35 (talk) 19:53, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Regarding flags

[Moved to here from my talkpage as it relates to the content of this article -- DeFacto (talk). 23:20, 23 December 2018 (UTC)]

Can you please explain where in WP:FLAGCRUFT does it say we have to remove flags from every list ? You've removed the flags in

• List of European Union cities proper by population density
• List of European countries by life expectancy ‎
• List of European Union member states by GDP growth
• List of countries by GDP (nominal)
• List of tallest buildings in Europe

For what reason ? According to WP:FLAGCRUFT

Inappropriate use

• Do not emphasize nationality without good reason
• Do not use a flag when a picture of the subject is not available
• Do not use subnational flags without direct relevance
• Do not use supernational flags without direct relevance
• Do not rewrite history
• Do not use flags in genocide-related lists and articles

None of these rules are being broken .

At MOST one could argue that it's related to : "Do not emphasize nationality without good reason" which implies to not add the flag senselessly looking to emphasize on the nationality without reason.

This is not the case here tho where the flags are being used IN CONJUNCTION with the country names which are already present in the list meaning there's no extra emphasis added. Romdwolf (talk) 21:14, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

@Romdwolf: with a column headed as "Country", filled with a country name, what good reason is there to add a flag? These lists aren't the results of international sports competitions. -- DeFacto (talk). 23:20, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

@DeFacto: Better visibility on the location of whatever is in the table. It is easier to find things visually (via the flag) than to read every single country's name.

It's the way most lists like that are (for ex: List of Asian states by GDP growth , List of African countries by GDP growth , List of Latin American and Caribbean countries by GDP growth and probably hundreds more ) and WP:FLAGCRUFT does not prohibit these lists from being displayed like that in no way whatsoever.

P.S : You've moved the page here but this is not specifically about this list , this is about statistics-related country lists (with some exceptions such as this or List of tallest buildings in Europe or so on ) Romdwolf (talk) 23:31, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

@Romdwolf: here is more appropriate than my talkpage for article content, and those watching this article will be notified too of the discussion. Feel free to add notes on the other talkpages too, directing to here.

The tables can be sorted by country, which will make finding them easier than by hunting for a flag. WP:FLAGCRUFT is part of the Wikipedia MOS a guidelines, and should be followed unless there's a good reason not to, and I'm not convinced we've got good reason. See WP:ICONDECORATION also, which says they need to serve an encyclopaedic purpose and not be just decorative. -- DeFacto (talk). 23:45, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

@DeFacto: The problem is that saying that WP:FLAGCRUFT is not being followed somehow means that allowing the flags to remain is somehow against WP:FLAGCRUFT , which it is not (as I have mentioned above).

On the contrary , visibility (albeit not confirmed) is acknowledged as a legitimate motive for the flags WP:FLAGCRUFT : " however, some editors feel that some tables such as those containing sports statistics (example) are easier to read if flag is used throughout. " , even if it does not acknowledge whether or not it actually leads to said lists being easier to read

To summarize : WP:FLAGCRUFT IS being followed . Nothing in WP:FLAGCRUFT prevents the flags from being there . There is a reason to add them there beyond them being purely decorative. On top of that most similar lists follow this pattern (which again , is NOT against WP:FLAGCRUFT guidelines). Romdwolf (talk) 00:07, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

@Romdwolf: MOS:FLAG also says flags "may be relevant in some subject areas, where the subject actually represents that country or nationality" and rules out the need for consistency with other articles. In this article it is very clear what the meaning of the country names are, without the need for flags, so there is no need, hence (per FLAGCRUFT) no "good reason" to have them. Given the simplicity of the table here, and the fact that the countries can be sorted, I cannot see what the flags add, so believe they should be omitted. Let's wait and see if any others have a view. -- DeFacto (talk). 09:48, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Checking the content of the table

Now I'm attempting to check lists of all EU countries if we have all cities on the list. I recommend drawing a lower bound at 3000/km2. If you find a list of settlements, please add it to this list.

List of EU countries - countries marked bold can be considered complete

• Austria - found list in PDF: https://www.statistik.at/wcm/idc/idcplg?IdcService=GET_NATIVE_FILE&RevisionSelectionMethod=LatestReleased&dDocName=121468, source: https://www.statistik.at/web_de/klassifikationen/regionale_gliederungen/gemeinden/index.html. An Excel version would be great.
• Belgium (checked: https://statbel.fgov.be/sites/default/files/files/documents/bevolking/5.11%20Bevolkingsdichtheid/Pop_density_en.xlsx) Note: counting the Brussels Capital Region as a single entity.
• Bulgaria (checked: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/b/ba/Population_density_in_local_administrative_units_%28LAU2%29%2C_2015_%28inhabitants_km%C2%B2%29_Cities16.png)
• Croatia (checked: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/b/ba/Population_density_in_local_administrative_units_%28LAU2%29%2C_2015_%28inhabitants_km%C2%B2%29_Cities16.png) - no cities above 3,000 - Rijeka is really close, keep an eye on it
• Cyprus
• Czech Republic (checked: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/b/ba/Population_density_in_local_administrative_units_%28LAU2%29%2C_2015_%28inhabitants_km%C2%B2%29_Cities16.png) - no cities over 3000
• Denmark (checked: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/b/ba/Population_density_in_local_administrative_units_%28LAU2%29%2C_2015_%28inhabitants_km%C2%B2%29_Cities16.png - the places listed are part of Copenhagen, which has a density of over 4,000)
• Estonia (checked: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/b/ba/Population_density_in_local_administrative_units_%28LAU2%29%2C_2015_%28inhabitants_km%C2%B2%29_Cities16.png) - no cities over 3000
• Finland (checked: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/b/ba/Population_density_in_local_administrative_units_%28LAU2%29%2C_2015_%28inhabitants_km%C2%B2%29_Cities16.png) - no city over 3000
• France
• Germany (checked: https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Laender-Regionen/Regionales/Gemeindeverzeichnis/Administrativ/Archiv/GVAuszugQ/AuszugGV1QAktuell.xlsx?__blob=publicationFile)
• Greece - (checked: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/b/ba/Population_density_in_local_administrative_units_%28LAU2%29%2C_2015_%28inhabitants_km%C2%B2%29_Cities16.png) - the numbers are way off from what I see on the cities' Wikipedia pages, but still over 8000 - added the three cities listed there
• Hungary (checked: http://www.ksh.hu/docs/hun/hnk/hnk_2019.xlsx), added Budapest
• Ireland (checked: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/b/ba/Population_density_in_local_administrative_units_%28LAU2%29%2C_2015_%28inhabitants_km%C2%B2%29_Cities16.png) - places listed are blocks in Dublin, which has population density over 4,000
• Italy (checked: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/b/ba/Population_density_in_local_administrative_units_%28LAU2%29%2C_2015_%28inhabitants_km%C2%B2%29_Cities16.png) - added top3
• Latvia (checked: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/b/ba/Population_density_in_local_administrative_units_%28LAU2%29%2C_2015_%28inhabitants_km%C2%B2%29_Cities16.png) - no city over 3000
• Lithuania
• Luxembourg (checked: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/b/ba/Population_density_in_local_administrative_units_%28LAU2%29%2C_2015_%28inhabitants_km%C2%B2%29_Cities16.png) - no city over 3000
• Malta
• Netherlands
• Poland
• Portugal
• Romania
• Slovakia
• Slovenia (checked: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/b/ba/Population_density_in_local_administrative_units_%28LAU2%29%2C_2015_%28inhabitants_km%C2%B2%29_Cities16.png) - no city over 3000
• Spain (checked: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/b/ba/Population_density_in_local_administrative_units_%28LAU2%29%2C_2015_%28inhabitants_km%C2%B2%29_Cities16.png) - added top3 cities
• Sweden

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Krmarci (talk • contribs) 13:55, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

I also found an additional source made by the EU, however, it only contains the top 3 per country: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/b/ba/Population_density_in_local_administrative_units_%28LAU2%29%2C_2015_%28inhabitants_km%C2%B2%29_Cities16.png Krmarci (talk) 20:05, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

To eliminate Rome from the list!

The population of Rome is 2.806.000, not 4,355,725!!! Forza NYCFC !! (talk) 02:36, 17 August 2021 (UTC)