Talk:List of Disney Channel original films/Archive 3

2009 dcoms

ok who keeps adding all the dcoms for 2009 its too soon we are only in october? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.8.98.89 (talk) 19:50, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

It's already confirmed so please add them (mianghuei (talk) 09:22, 1 January 2009 (UTC))

Planned and Confirmed Section

OK. I already put it but can we just put movies that premiered on 2008 section, movies that has confirmed airdate(day, month, year) on confirmed section, and movies that is confirmed or in production but no confirmed airdate on planned section.Who agrees with me???By the way, if you have a better name for planned or confirmed section please write it here Gary0203 (talk) 12:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Grk1011 (talk) 01:38, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes Please. (mianghuei (talk) 09:25, 1 January 2009 (UTC))

Jett Jackson?

What about Jett Jackson: The Movie it is a DCOM. I added it but why was it left out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kelltaylor777777 (talk • contribs) 06:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

'Cause no one added it before? It's there now. --Ebyabe (talk) 22:57, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

2009?

Ok, Disney Channel Asia confirms that there are only 3 DCOMs next year.

Dadnapped Hatching Pete Princess Protection Program

(mianghuei (talk) 09:19, 1 January 2009 (UTC))

and what about Wendy Wu II?

According to Variety (magazine), Brenda Song and Shin Koyamada will again star in a sequel to Wendy Wu: Homecoming Warrior.[15] Shooting began in early 2008 and it will be released in mid 2009. The film will be entirely shot in Auckland, New Zealand and will have a new villain since Yan Lo was destroyed by Wendy by the help of Shen. GinoKolle (talk) 18:05, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

When was your article written? The J.O.N.A.S thing was also delayed. Wendy Wu II could also have been delayed. Because if Disney Channel wants to release it this year then they would have told us on the commercial.(mianghuei (talk) 08:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC))

Missing DCOMs from list

There are some DCOMs that are not here but has been confirmed by Disney Channel as a DCOM such as Eloise series and the adventures of food boy (Older movies).

(mianghuei (talk) 09:25, 1 January 2009 (UTC))

If the articles for them are created with reliable sources, then they can be added. Otherwise, they will continue to be deleted as unsourced rumors. --Ebyabe (talk) 05:12, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

It's under the DCOM tag according to Disney Channel.(mianghuei (talk) 08:31, 9 January 2009 (UTC))

Redlinks

I have found a few redlinks. Why did someone make so many links to pages that aren't made yet? I just don't have the time to make does pages.Chimchar monferno (talk) 02:09, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

You can't blame some people for putting them as some of them are facts. Just tell them to slow down, ok?(mianghuei (talk) 07:12, 10 January 2009 (UTC))

Future Films

Don't you think it's time to put in some DCOMs that are coming out after Dadnapped? Shouldn't you put up Princess Protection Program, Hatching Pete, and Camp Rock 2 as well? --Geekboy6 (talk) 06:58, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a source for a release date other than IMdb? Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 13:54, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

No Camp Rock Sequel in 2009. (According to Disney Channel Ad)

(mianghuei (talk) 09:21, 1 January 2009 (UTC))

New in 2009: Dadnapped (Febuary) Hatching Pete (April) Princess Protection Program (September) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.27.170.88 (talk) 19:32, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Looks like there's a WWOP movie this year.(mianghuei (talk) 13:49, 14 March 2009 (UTC))

Pls Clean up

The owner of this page, pls clean up the discussion page and the main article but have a look at our comments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mianghuei (talk • contribs) 08:33, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Nobody "owns" the page, as such. That's what Wikipedia's all about. However, I did archive some stuff. And the article page looks fine. --Ebyabe (talk) 18:11, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

The last movie in the 2009 list is a doubt so I am deleting it.(mianghuei (talk) 08:41, 15 March 2009 (UTC))

What are * for?

How come some movies have three asterists? They have the the first one and then the second two, doesn't that contradict each other. They can't be set to be released in UK and also already in the UK format, can they? And what is the asterist in front of Tiger Town for? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.107.64.61 (talk) 01:50, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

2010?

I noticed someone added a section for 2010 DCOM's, which were supposed to include "High School Musical 4: College Years" and "Camp Rock 2". All we know about these is that the sequels are supposed to be produced. But we don't know about either the official titles (or in the case of HSM 4; whether the original cast will be featured at all), which makes the inclusion a WP:CRYSTAL violation. WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 15:57, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

HSM3?

what about HSM3??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.241.244 (talk) 14:14, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I added it with a reference. - Alec2011 (talk) 19:27, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Question about Highest rated Disney Channel... section

How are there numbers already for Wizards of Waverly Place: The Movie when it's not done showing in some parts of the US? 04:51, 29 August 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.99.210.101 (talk)

Asterisks?

What do the asterisks mean??? 24.224.170.188 (talk) 05:45, 30 August 2009 (UTC)RoshanMcG

Starstruck

I heard on Just Jared Jr. that Cody Linley is starring in a new DCOM called Starstruck in which he will record 6 new songs. Anyone confirm this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.86.58.199 (talk) 21:25, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

JustJaredJr. is also a source since the owner is close with Disney stars58.186.217.171 (talk) 13:21, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Disney Channel Premiere Films

Noticed the pre-1997 Disney Channel films have disappeared from the list. Are they supposed to go into a separate article for Disney Channel Premiere Films? If not, should those be brought back? WAVY 10 Fan (talk) 18:52, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

What about non-Disney channel Disney films?

Haven't there been films made for TV by Disney that weren't broadcast on the Disney channel, including ones made before the Disney channel existed? Should there be a list of those, or is there one already? Web wonder (talk) 23:20, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

• I'm a little bit confused by this list. My recollection is that some of these films ("Mr. Boogedy," the first "Not Quite Human," "Spot Marks the X," "Parent Trap II," the remake of "Escape to Witch Mountain," etc.) debuted on "The Wonderful World of Disney" and then aired regularly on The Disney Channel. And if this is a list of "original" movies, why in God's name is "Snow White" first on the list? VinnieRattolle (talk) 12:15, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

• Since I didn't figure anyone else would take the initiative, I fastidiously put together a pretty comprehensive List of Disney made for TV Movies that covers all of Disney's TV films. VinnieRattolle (talk) 12:47, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Protection

I propose that this page be protected from guests, as too much vandalism is going on on this page. --DisneyFriends (talk) 22:01, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

High School Musical 4?

According to a source (not really believable), HSM4 has started the audition and casting. Why was it removed?Josh (talk) 07:13, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Asked and answered. Why would material from sources that aren't really believable be included?—Kww(talk) 14:38, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

The source was true at some times, some other weren't. Josh (talk) 08:55, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

fabbrications

i do not get the fabbrications here nor the deletion (i.e me & myself p&f across the second demention 2011) can you please tell me whats going on (Coolioride (talk) 01:36, 24 April 2010 (UTC))

Phineas and Ferb: Across The Second Demision

Do not move this movie to 2010, it will premire in 2011 as stated in the reference. - Alec2011 (talk) 00:20, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 98.67.161.57, 25 July 2010

Note: copy of article removed by Kww. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.67.161.57 (talk) 16:41, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Please explain what you want changed instead of posting a corrupted copy of a complete article.—Kww(talk) 16:53, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Note: further copies of article removed by ShelfSkewed.

See Kww's comment above. Simply posting large blocks of material without comment is not helpful.--ShelfSkewed Talk 21:02, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Note: removed again, warned editor.—Kww(talk) 21:54, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Howlowcanugo1233, 31 October 2010

{{edit semi-protected}}

Can I Please Edit This Page, I Know Information! Howlowcanugo1233 (talk) 18:20, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

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Edit request from 98.67.166.136, 4 November 2010

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edit 98.67.166.136 (talk) 11:00, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 15:57, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Sharpay's Fabulous Adventure (SFA)

Please note that SFA is not a Disney Channel Original Movie, it's a straight-to-DVD Disney movie, like Tinker Bell film series. The film will be released on DVD and Bluray first on March 11, 2011 and then will premiere on Disney Channel later - June 18, 2011. Josh (talk) 04:32, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Aside from the dates (seems to go to DVD/Bluray in April 2011 now), I wonder about the same thing: was this film be advertised as a DCOM, or as something else? Gimmetoo (talk) 23:38, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Wizards of Waverly Place Rankings

I noticed in the beginning of the article it says "The second highest-rated premiere is held by Wizards of Waverly Place: The Movie, which premiered with 13.6 million viewers." But further down on the article it's listing the movie as having 11.4 million viewers. Which is correct? --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 16:42, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

They appear to be using different measures, live+sameday vs. live+7. Gimmetoo (talk) 06:49, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Jake Kenyon?

What's up with these Jake Kenyon Movies and Series? Are these a hoax? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CrazyKid24 (talk • contribs) 19:21, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes and I remove it. -- Serienfan2010 (talk) 21:45, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Disney Channel World Premiere Movies

The movies listed under the "Other" section have been explicitly titled as "Disney Channel World Premiere Movies" and sometimes more simply "Disney Channel Movies." Instead of allowing for them to clutter the main section, perhaps a separate list should be made for these films? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.16.3.238 (talk) 22:33, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 February 2012

Can i try to edit the Disney Channel original Movie page?

98.196.40.126 (talk) 03:18, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't work that way. If you register a name then wait a few days(4) and make a few edits(10), you will become auto-confirmed and be able to edit semi-protected pages like this. Otherwise, you can express a specific change you would like and use this template to get someone to type it into the article for you. Thanks and welcome, Celestra (talk) 04:08, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 July 2013

I Have a bunch more references for Teen Beach Movie 98.18.2.140 (talk) 17:19, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Not done: requests for changes to the page protection level should be made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Mdann52 (talk) 14:52, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 August 2013

Teen Beach Movie Scored 13.5 98.18.10.227 (talk) 19:34, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Already done it appears so anyway.... Mdann52 (talk) 14:52, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

References

Edit request on 23 August 2013

There was more than one movie in 2013 WOWP: Alex vs. Alex March 15, 2013 Phineas and Ferb: Mission Marvel August 16, 2013 Jessie Big Break February 15, 2013 Jessie Unknown Movie 2013 98.18.63.57 (talk) 19:13, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Mdann52 (talk) 14:52, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

The most watched movies

Return to halloweentown scores 7.8 millions more than High School Musical — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.150.48.54 (talk) 17:07, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

What about Motocrossed from 2001? Add it to the list please! one of my favs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.161.236.204 (talk) 05:39, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

What about Angels in the outfield Leave it to Beaver Lilo and Stitch movie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.50.74.251 (talk) 14:14, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Wizard Return?

Should this really be on here? Is is considered a movie, or a special of the TV show? Glman99 ☲☳☶ (talk) 17:38, 11 February 2013 (UTC) The Wizards Return: Alex vs. Alex should be added to the list of 2013. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.126.133.77 (talk) 04:10, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2014

I think there should be a spot under the 2015 area that includes "Announced Films" and ones in production, like:  1. Evermoor 2. Adventure Quest(Announced In 2011) 3. A film based on the TV Show, "Jessie(TV Series)|Jessie.. 50.165.101.170 (talk) 20:52, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 01:56, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

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"widescreen HD format since mid-2005"

Not sure how accurate this statement is: "although DCOMs have been produced in widescreen HD format since mid-2005". At least "Zenon - The Zequel" from 2001 is a widescreen production, airs as such on the Disney Channel HD, and is sold on iTunes in widescreen SD. Can't say for sure if it's HD quality or not. Mike Richardson (talk) 08:12, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2015

2000: Model Behavior (March 12, 2000) Monsterheadsmarty 13 (talk) 18:31, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. In particular, I note that an editor has placed an invisible comment that reads "'Model Behavior' is not a Disney Channel Original Movie. It was originally show on the ABC Sunday Night Movie. It's reruns since then have been on Disney Channel only because of Justin Timberlake's connection to Disney through the Mickey the Mouse Club in 1990s." Since the inclusion of this movie has been disputed, I'm turning down this request. Altamel (talk) 04:44, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

WATCH Disney Channel Viewers

The number of viewers who watched the movie before it's television premiere (on the Disney Channel app) should be noted somewhere in this article. 744cody (talk) 17:49, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

here comes the lion guard

where's Lion Guard: return of the roar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.38.157.176 (talk) 19:27, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Disney Channel Original Movie Marathon

In celebration of Disney Channel's 100th DCOM Adventures In Babysitting, they aired a movie marathon of 51 of the most popular DCOMs. This marathon started Friday, May 27th 2016 at 10AM/9c and continued through the 30th. The marathon began with Kim Possible Movie: So the Drama and ended with Johnny Tsunami. After the marathon Disney Channel planned to air it's movies at various until the premiere of Adventures In Babysitting.

The marathon included the "Zenon" trilogy, the original 3 "Halloweentown" movies, "Brink!", "Motocrossed", "Pixel Perfect", "Smart House", "Double Teamed", the first 2 "High School Musical" movies, and many other fan favorites. Jackwp17 (talk) 16:33, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2016

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 16:40, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Beware ratings falsification...

I've just spent an hour going through the references for the "top rated" DCOM's, and I've found at least one case (The Cheetah Girls 2) where the figure in the article did not seem to match any of the cited sources (none of the sources said "8.1 million viewers"). This is the kind of subtle excessive fandoming/vandalism that's common to articles like this, so we need to exercise caution. An added complication is that sometimes references for the same DCOM give different ratings figures (again: for The Cheetah Girls 2, the figures in refs are "7.7 million", "7.8 million" and "8 million") – it's harder to know what to do in a case like that, so I chose the ref that was published more than a day later (so the figures are presumably not "preliminary" ratings) and with more sig figs (the LA Times ref quoting 8 million may be a "rounded" ratings figure...). In any case, it would be good if other editors could go through the ratings refs, and make sure that the ratings figures quoted in the article are verified by the source, and not some inflated "madeup" ratings number. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:50, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

• Return to Halloweentown was another one where the ratings had been falsified. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:56, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

The IMDb ratings have to go...

As per WP:Citing IMDb, the column that includes IMDb user ratings for the various DCOMs is completely inappropriate for inclusion in this encyclopedia, and needs to be removed. I will try and get to that in the next few days, when I have time. Replacing the IMDb ratings column with an actual (Nielsen) ratings column would make the most sense, as we actually have (sourced) ratings data for a fair number of these... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:42, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Premears

"PremEARS" (sic) seem to designated when the film was first shown, ie. the premiere, based on the Unwraped promo poster not an actual film banner. Seem just to be a confusion between "made for" definition of "premiere" and when the first showing was. PremEARS was also used for "‘Disney Channel PremEARS in the Park’ a four-night mini-movie festival" in several cities in July 1997 which may have given the or added to impression that the films were branded "PremEARS" not DCOM. Spshu (talk) 23:07, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

This Vintage Toledo TV Cable Ad from the July 12-18, 1997 issue of TV Guide for the Saturday PermEARS of The Aristocats and the Toy Story debut ad seems to indicated that I am correct in that is for the debut showing on the channel. Spshu (talk) 00:08, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

I think you can cut "PremEARS" from the lead – when I did a search for that term, what I got out of it was, 1) the term has been used repeatedly by Disney (though for various different things, not just TV movies), and 2) there was no evidence that the term was actually used as a "title" for Disney Channel movies in the same way that "Disney Channel Premiere Film" or "Disney Channel Original Movie" has. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:35, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

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Descendants 2 ratings

We need to make a call here – I think we should only include the Disney Channel (only) ratings in the table, rather than the total ratings for all 6 networks. (We can include the total ratings for all 6 networks in a separate note in the ratings table.) Including only Disney Channel ratings allows "apples-to-apples" ratings comparisons with all of the other entries in the table – otherwise, the Descendants 2 ratings won't be comparable to the other entries. Thoughts?... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:41, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

I think that we should include all channels because that was the rating of the movie. In a separate note we can say how many people watched the disney channel braoudcast. --ANDREWs13 (contribs • talk)

I already explained that we will include the total figure, but in a note. It makes no sense to include the "total" ratings for Descendants 2 when every other entry in the table is just Disney Channel-only ratings. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:07, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

But the other movies were only on Disney Channel. User:ANDREWs13 —Preceding undated comment added 23:31, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The title of this article is "List of Disney Channel original films". Emphasis mine. Doesn't matter that this was simulcast. We are still only documenting Disney Channel's ratings which haven't been posted yet. Also, we don't know what the other networks received; as such, the 13 million is probably not entirely accurate and is likely just a rough figure. Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:36, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Ok, will it still be in the top 10 list? -- ANDREWs13 —Preceding undated comment added 00:01, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Depends what the Disney Channel-only ratings turn out to be. It's certainly possible that it will be. But it shouldn't be listed #1 or #2 in the table on a technicality. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:05, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

OK, no, based on this, it looks like it won't be in Top 10 of DCOMs on the Disney Channel – a sentence in prose, below the table, can be used to report the (final) "simulcast" ratings figure though. It is, however, almost certain to be the top DCOM for the year 2017, so it will be in the table at the bottom of the article... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:20, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

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First DCOM: We've got a problem...

Folks, we have a problem here. The following two sources, which I've been using since June 2016 very clearly say that Under Wraps (film) is considered to be the first DCOM: However, Spshu has just produced as Washington Post reference that claims Northern Lights (1997 film) is the first DCOM. So now we have a conflict between sources. (FTR, I feel more comfortable with my sources from June 2016, as I believe not counting Northern Lights gets Adventures in Babysitting (2016 film) to be the 100th DCOM. Also Under Wraps was included in the Summer 2016 retrospective of DCOMs, whereas I don't believe Northern Lights was...) Anyway, what do we do now? Pinging @Geraldo Perez, Amaury, and MPFitz1968: --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:10, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Speculation on the IMDB indicates that it was "disowned" as DCOM because a main character was a heavy smoker. Or there was a period where neither Disney Channel Premiere Films nor Disney Channel Original Movies brand was used possible Premears (indicate usourced in the article) or none. Although it was to have used the new banner that was chosen latter (DCOM). Thus making it easy to disown it as a DCOM. Spshu (talk) 13:15, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

That's possible. But I'm more concerned that we've got conflicting sources on this. The thing is, we've got 2 sources claiming that Under Wraps (film) is the first DCOM versus just 1 source saying that Northern Lights (1997 film) was the first. And it's verifiably provable that Under Wraps was indeed a DCOM – it's right there on the poster art that's shown at the article. OTOH, the poster art at Northern Lights does not include the phrase "Disney Channel Original Movie" – that's pretty good evidence to me that Northern Lights wasn't actually "branded" as a DCOM (at least not "officially"). Finally, I would point out that Disney is the one that gets to say what is a "DCOM" and what isn't, and one of the two sources I've cited above specifically says "Disney Channel considers 1997’s Under Wraps as its first official DCOM..." That all says to me that Northern Lights should be moved out of the DCOM list and back into the list above it. The only question in my mind is whether we should then put a 'note' on Northern Lights indicating that some sources (e.g. The Washington Post) describe Northern Lights as the "first DCOM" – and, on that question, I am inclined to think that a 'note' containing the WaPo source is warranted. Any other opinions on this?... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:55, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Since we have two sources saying Under Wraps was the first DCOM, I'm thinking we should go by that. Northern Lights, as you said, isn't labeled as a DCOM, so I'm thinking it was just a movie that happened to be aired on Disney Channel. Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:48, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

I actually think Northern Ligths was a "proto" DCOM (probably when Disney was just starting to define the brand). But I do think that Under Wraps is the first "official" DCOM, as per Disney's own comments. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:05, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

When we have two reliable sources with conflicting info we should be sure to cover both in the article. Seems to me that DCOM can mean either a brand or a description "A movie that first aired on DC or one of its predecessors" vs a movie that we (Disney Channel) have decided to slap the brand DCOM on. The sources look to be using different definitions. Reading the note, the reference is using the descriptive version, not the branding version to declare membership in the group. I'd go with what Disney decides is their brand if that is what is decided to go in the table but be sure to cover the conflict in references in the article somewhere. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:51, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

That's my plan – move Northern Lights back into the first list, but add a note (with source) indicating that some sources refer to it as the first "DCOM". But all the evidence presented here, and at Northern Lights (1997 film) and Under Wraps (film), pretty conclusively shows that Under Wraps is the first "official" DCOM, as per Disney Channel. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:16, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

I was going to agree, but on MTV's list of 99 DCOMs (for polling readers), Northern Lights is listed there at #99. Spshu (talk) 13:31, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

My suggested way to handle this is still the best way forward – we're going to note that some sources consider Northern Lights to be a DCOM. But the EW ref definitively says that Disney Channel considers Under Wraps to be the first DCOM. Disney Channel is ultimately the one who gets to define what films are DCOM's and what aren't. (As for the MTV ref, they must be missing one – I'll try to figure out which one they're missing later...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:20, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

If the table documents the brand, then Disney gets to define what movies get to have that brand. What they say is authoritative. That others consider things different than Disney is interesting and should be in the article but where depends on the inclusion criteria for the tables. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:36, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

We don't take orders from Disney, we base it on actual facts - not that we completely disregard their future application of the brand name. If Northern Lights was originally branded as a DisCh Original Movie and later disowned/debranded as one then it should be listed as a DCOM with the notation that Disney no longer brands/considers the film as such. If Northern was just a made for Disney Channel movie, or a Proto-DCOM, then yes we list it with the Pre-DCOM with the notation that some sources consider it the first DCOM. (It looks like Sharpay's Fabulous Adventure is not on the MTV poll - possibly being a DTV release first.) Spshu (talk) 13:31, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Disney would be one of the sources we follow, and because they actually determine "branding" they're actually most important source we follow. And your two sources don't actually say "Northern Lights was originally 'branded' as a DCOM" – the MTV simply includes it in the list of the other DCOMs; only WaPo calls in the "first" DCOM, but even they don't say exactly that. What would be more definitive would be source from 1997 that actually called Northern Lights a "Disney Channel Original Movie" (in title caps). But I keep coming back to the poster art – Northern Lights' poster does not say "Disney Channel Original Movie" while Under Wraps' does – that to me is the most definitive proof that the EW source is correct, and Under Wraps is the first "official" DCOM. So this list needs to reflect that. (IMO, it also can't be ignored that Adventures in Babysitting isn't the "100th DCOM" if you count Northern Lights...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:42, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

←IJBall, you just restated what I say. My last post was in response to Perez's post that current Disney Channels management use of the brand could absolute negate previous brand use. Although, the EW article use the term "considers" in regards to Under Wraps DCOM status, that isn't absolute, giving the possibility of other earlier movies were DCOM but lost that brand or fuzzy in general. We also have to consider common understanding at WP, for example in naming articles. MTV News takes this up directly, even reporting regarding Northern's listing at this article, and the Sharpay's Fabulous Adventure DTV DCOM substitution. Vanity Fair places Northern as the first DCOM (lower case). Bustle (not aware of this site before) has it as coming out officially under the DCOM banner.

@Spshu: The MTV source you just added (which I think we should probably still use in any case) is disingenuous at best – it's not "some fans" that consider Under Wraps to be the "first DCOM" – it's Disney Channel itself! (I also notice that the 1997 "Boca Raton News" article that is quoted in the MTV story doesn't label the film as a "Disney Channel Original Movie" either.) It's also dangerously close to WP:CIRCULAR relying as it does on this very Wikipedia article... But, again, that source can be added as well to the note I'm going add for Northern Lights. But there is still nothing I've seen that indicates that Northern Lights was actually "branded" as a DCOM (by Disney, in 1997 – Bustle provides no evidence for this, and I wonder how many of these articles were relying on older versions of this article for calling NL a "DCOM"...). In any case, I intend to move it back, with the new note added, in the next few days. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:16, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

To be clear, if we can find a contemporary 1997 source calling Northern Lights a "Disney Channel Original Movie" (title case necessary?), that would probably justify leaving it in the DCOMs list (though still with a note of explanation required). Otherwise, I think it should be moved back (with an added note), based on what Disney is saying in 2016 (and the current lack of verification that Northern Lights actually was a branded "DCOM"). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:31, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

This uses the words "...Disney Channel's original movie "Northern Lights"..." but not in the sense of a "brand" title; the following LA Times review of the film doesn't use those words at all. Neither does the NY Times review of the film, nor the Entertainment Weekly review. I am still finding no contemporary sourcing that verifies that this was a "Disney Channel Original Movie" in the sense that it was branded as such... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:50, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

One point about Sharpay's Fabulous Adventure: Disney didn't just suddenly decide in 2016 that it was a "DCOM" – Disney was calling Sharpay's Fabulous Adventure a "DCOM" from Day #1! It's right there in the May 2011 press release for the film. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:14, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

A little late, but this commercial does call Northern Lights "a Disney Channel original movie", and this 2014 interview with actor and writer John Hoffman describes it as "the first Disney Channel Original Movie". Raymond1922 (talk) 21:08, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Several points here. First Disney itself is the one that gets to "decide" what "the first Disney Channel Original Movie" (actors/writers don't) and Disney has clearly settled on Under Wraps as being the "first" DCOM. Second, we include a 'note' that covers all this, so it hasn't been ignored. Third, while the ad does say "Disney Channel original movie" in the voice-over, they don't include on-screen "branding" to that effect in the ad (i.e. the words "Disney Channel Original Movie" never appear on screen). Ultimately, I think that's what puts Under Wraps over the top at the first DCOM – the poster art actually includes the words "Disney Channel Original Movie", whereas Northern Lights' does not. It's pretty clear from all of this that Northern Lights is basically the "proto"- or "prototypical"-DCOM – Disney was obviously moving in the direction of creating the "DCOM" label around this time, but didn't "formally" adopt it until Under Wraps. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:17, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 24 August 2018

The Lizzie McGuire Movie is missing in the 2003 Category Of List Of Disney Channel Original Films Article. The movie was premiered on May 2, 2003. Fruitsbasket123456 (talk) 00:22, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

 Info This is because The Lizzie McGuire Movie was theatrically released – it was not a DCOM (i.e. it was not a "TV movie" originally aired on Disney Channel). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:32, 24 August 2018 (UTC)