Talk:List of Christian Nobel laureates/Archive 1
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Great Posting!
I would like to see a companion post on Jewish scientist. This would show together the contribution of people of faith. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.224.77.135 (talk) 20:00, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Possible shady-work at hand?
The talk page says this was nominated for deletion with the result "Delete All", why is it all back? MasterZeroFlash (talk) 17:15, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
- @MasterZeroFlash: I agree with you. This article is just awful, it should be deleted as soon as possible. What a shame we let them writing it and letting it online. The article List_of_atheist_Nobel_laureates was deleted, so the Christians though "yeah cool we can list some (supposed to be) Christians Nobel prize", without even precising if at the time it was even allowed to be non-christian when working in an university or a lab. The Christians already have List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science so I propose to delete this article, letting them copying it to List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science if them want to.
- the worst thing is that the Jewish also made their article... List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates... LOL, nothing more to say, and of course delete delete delete now.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_atheist_Nobel_laureates_(2nd_nomination) Acx01b (talk) 08:39, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Devout Nazis
Lenard and Stark were ardent Nazis. Should that be mentioned, or should we have a separate List of Nazi Christian Nobel laureates? Also Knut Hamsun thought the Nazi thing, as he knew it, was a good thing (he might have been misinformed); however he was a pantheist, according to wikipedia, so that is yet another list. GangofOne (talk) 07:47, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
Atheists
When someone is "raised $DENOMINATION" and then becomes atheist, they are not a Christian, they are an atheist. You don't get to choose how your parents raise you. My kids were raised Anglican but I bet you that one at least would count himself at best agnostic, if not outright atheist. Guy (Help!) 23:18, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
- Agree and your point is rigth and atheists one is being deleted now. But some people even when they stop believing in Jesus they keep call them self as Christians for cultural or ethnic reasons as the outspoken atheist Richard Dawkins described himself in several interviews as a "Cultural Christian" and a "Cultural Anglican" and a "secular Christian". or the Irish physicist John Stewart Bell who described himself as Protestant Atheist. These kind of strem or belief called Christian atheism.--Jobas (talk) 23:45, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
- That is just one of many problems with this list. A cultureal Christian may have no actual faith (hence, I guess, the continued existence of the Church of England, the world's oldest agnostic church). Guy (Help!) 00:06, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah, see my above post on Pauli. Ema--or (talk) 23:20, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
Lack of Citations/Non-Christians on this list
I have noticed several non-Christians on this list and there is a lack of citations for some of the people listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.228.29.137 (talk) 23:00, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
- Wolfgang Pauli - why is he here? He left the Catholic Church - it says so in his article. Ema--or (talk) 23:19, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
- Lorentz also has this problem. Apparently he was a churchgoer only to improve his French at his local French joint. Ema--or (talk) 04:28, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
Huge Issues With List
I have noticed numerous issues with this list including a huge lack of citations for many of the people on the list, citations that do not support the claim that they are Christians (Many citations simply say that they were raised Christian or that their family was Christian), and numerous non-Christians on this list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GrandPhilosophe (talk • contribs) 01:54, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Non-Sourced Laureates
Should we remove all the laureates that have no sources? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GrandPhilosophe (talk • contribs) 00:38, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
List of left-handed Nobel laureates
Imho this article is a sham and shouldn't be here. Surely there is some sort of guideline that prohibits creation of arbitrary lists where the title characteristic (here, "Christian") has little or nothing to do with the subject matter ("Nobel laureates")? If this article, then why not List of left-handed Nobel laureates? List of married Nobel laureates? Maybe because the latter two don't have a political lobby behind them, trying to make a point?
In contrast, the article Left-handed specialist about a subset of baseball pitchers is reasonable, because handedness may affect pitching success in baseball. List of musicians who play left-handed also makes sense (less so imho than in the baseball case, but sufficiently to justify an article) because the instruments are different in some cases, how they are stringed (in the case of string instruments) may be different, and even orchestra seating may be affected. But List of Christian Nobel laureates makes no sense whatsoever, as the article doesn't do anything other than spout statistics about how many Nobel laureates are, or aren't, Christian in various categories. Precisely the same type of article full of statistics could be designed for List of left-handed Nobel laureates or List of bald Nobel laureates, and it would be just as senseless as this one.
The WP:LEADSENTENCE, which is supposed to define the topic of the article, is unable to do so, and doesn't. Only later in the paragraph do the statistics come out, and they still say nothing about why this topic is notable as an article for an encyclopedia.
Finally, this article smacks of ammunition in the culture or politico-religious wars to make some sort of point about the supposed intelligence or superiority of Christians over Muslims, since the list here is far longer than the one at List of Muslim Nobel laureates. Surely there's a guideline prohibiting arbitrary lists attempting to make political points where there is no underlying encyclopedic topic to define or elaborate on in the article.
I notice also that there are 551 references to this article, far more than most articles of this length that I have seen. Is this supposed to be some sort of "inoculation" against deletion, because, "Oh my goodness it has *hundreds* of references, you *can't possibly* delete it!" Humbug. Show me ten reliable sources out of those five hundred that talk about "Christian Nobel laureates" as a group or a list to be treated academically.
Strong delete. Mathglot (talk) 01:23, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Mathglot: So, go for it. Deletion proposals are thataway → Wikipedia:Articles for deletion.
- ~Anachronist (talk) 21:57, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
- Delete. Obviously not encyclopedic. Articles like this are why people laugh at Wikipedia as a non-biased source. 2602:304:788B:DF50:D9F6:63D1:857A:104 (talk) 22:55, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
Spammed Inaccurate Sources.
It appears that the users 84.220.142.229 and 77.138.160.59 put multiple sources and names on this list that do NOT actually mention the religious beliefs of the laureates in order to inflate the size of this list for whatever reasons. This list needs a serious cleanup. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GrandPhilosophe (talk • contribs) 05:34, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Content
If this list is kept it will need dramatic pruning because there seems to be a distinct lack of evidence to show people are/were actually practising Christians. Being born in the west, or even born in a family that were, say, Anglican or Catholic or Unitarian, does not make the individual a Christian. - Sitush (talk) 17:06, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
The statement in the list that it includes "Nobel laureates with a Christian background and those who identified with the Christian faith. It is worth noting that some of the Nobel laureates in the list are devout Christians, with Christianity having an influence on their thinking and writing, while others are nominally Christian, but identify themselves as Christians and/or members of a Christian denomination" is simply enabling pov-pushing in my opinion. Either they are/were practising Christians or they were not. We cannot possibly judge the influence that their "Christian background" may have had on their life (WP:OR) - and the second sentence of what is already a get-out clause simply defies belief because what on earth is a "nominal" Christian? How long is that piece of string? - Sitush (talk) 17:54, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
It appears that the users 84.220.142.229 and 77.138.160.59 put multiple sources and names on this list that do NOT actually mention the religious beliefs of the laureates in order to inflate the size of this list for whatever reasons. This list needs a serious cleanup — Preceding unsigned comment added by GrandPhilosophe (talk • contribs) 05:40, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Flags and countries
Our article currently displays flags of winners' nationalities (in violation of MOS:FLAG, which allows this use only for events in which the prizes go to official national teams, not the case here). And it also currently links the actual nationality of the winner but then pipes that link so that to the reader it looks like the name of a vaguely-corresponding modern country, in violation of WP:SUBMARINE. I have started fixing these problems, but Kapiski has reverted my fixes twice, without even the courtesy of an explanatory edit summary. Can I get more opinions here on this issue, please? —David Eppstein (talk) 19:07, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
- I believe this change to be just a minor positive addition to the page, giving a more immediate feeling of the content for the user that is not likely to read the entire list but just scroll down. I honestly don't know about the submarine links, if some are mislinked I would appreciate it if you redirected them to the right page.
Good day sir. - —Preceding undated comment added 19:22, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
- Now there are flags everywhere as you can see in other pages related to Nobel Prizes and I think I have addressed most of the submarine issues (upon check you were right to signal it, even though a full undo was going a little overboard). -kapiski
Bob Dylan is jewish, and specially in 2016 date of the prize
Bob Dylan is born jewish and had been educated in a jewish tradition. At the beginning of the 70's he experimented for a very short period to be a "regenerate christian" but he came back to judaism, and was totally in this religious tradition in 2016. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.165.166.2 (talk) 01:16, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
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