Talk:List of Australian cyclists who have led the Tour de France general classification

Suggestions from FLC

Done

• "One of the three Grand Tours" Ref #1 doesn't mention three Grand Tours (I don't think)
  • Split the references. Daniel (talk) 08:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
• "predominantly in the month of July". Ref #1 just says "each July".
  • Yes, but they lie :) It has occasionally started in June (Phil Anderson won his on Stage 6, on June 30), so I'm still looking for a better reference. Daniel (talk) 12:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC) Changed, ~95% of the TdF stages in history have taken place in July. Daniel (talk) 08:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
• "most well known" would "best known" be better?
  • Indeed it would. Thanks. Daniel (talk) 12:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
• In {{Cite news}}, the newspaper's name goes in the 'work' parameter, not the publisher.
  • Done, thanks. Daniel (talk) 08:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
• I'd prefer the year column to be headed Year, not Edition.
  • Done. Daniel (talk) 08:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
• For me on a 1024-width screen, some columns wrap alarmingly, for instance both date columns wrap to 3 lines. Consider breaking the stage details with a spaced endash to allow those to wrap, and maybe in the Notes column have references to a notes section rather than the notes themselves? Or, consider dispensing with the dates, as the exact date of the stage adds little valuable information, and having the stage numbers in their own column unentangled with the stage description, so that it's clearer what the numbers are meant to be. Also, stage number P needs explaining. And whatever you do with the notes, they need sources.
  • Changing the notes to footnotes and using the spaced endash. Added a note to the "P". Daniel (talk) 08:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
• McGee didn't win the points classification in 2003.
  • Indeed, I confused him with Baden Cooke (Blnguyen fixed it in the lead). Removed. Daniel (talk) 08:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
• If you aren't using the Tour official site for referencing, consider adding it to External links.
  • Done, thanks. Daniel (talk) 08:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
• Ref #9 doesn't cite McGee being reigning pursuit world champion when he won the 2003 prologue. Though at least CyclingFever lets me read that page without registering!
  • Fixed. Daniel (talk) 09:24, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
• Ref #4 takes me to a page inviting me to register. I don't doubt its reliability, but are there no public sources which cover the information you source to CyclingFever? The Tour de France website itself, perhaps?
  • The page I use as a reference explicitly states what I have quoted. The TdF/other references simply give statistics that then need to be analysed. I tend to take the view that analysis of bare statistics qualifies as original research, hence my usage of the restricted-access content. Daniel (talk) 12:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
    • Fair enough. Struway2 (talk) 08:22, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
• What makes AMB Cote d'Azur a reliable source?
  • They don't seem to have an inherent bias or conflict of interest, the page is well-written, and it's not a collaborative project. Is there any reason why you feel it isn't a reliable source? It may not be the best, but I don't think it's too terrible to be perfectly honest, but I'm open to persuasion. Daniel (talk) 12:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
    • It's harmless, but basically it's a superficial article submitted to an online tourist guide. Though presumably you're only using it for the description of the different kinds of rider, and that's accurate enough and more clearly presented than some I've seen. Struway2 (talk) 08:22, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
      • I've added another source to compliment it - a book. The two should work nicely together. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 08:54, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
• Re O'Grady and McEwen, does "were successful in the points classification" mean "won", or "did well in", because (to me at least) it isn't obvious.
  • They came first or second, and I didn't know how to phrase it better. Any thoughts? Daniel (talk) 12:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
    • Would "had success in" have less implication of winning? dunno... Struway2 (talk) 08:22, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
      • Indeed, changed. Thanks much for the suggestion, Daniel (talk) 08:54, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Not yet done

• Opening sentences reading "This is a list of repeat-the-article-title-here..." are now actively discouraged. See here. You may want to try going straight into your description of the Tour (moving its date of establishment from your opening sentence into that description), and then in the second paragraph add anything you need about the scope of the list. Also, the plural of Tour de France is Tours de France, not Tour de Frances.
• Could "which gave them lead of the GC for a small number of days" be better phrased?
  • Perhaps "gave them the lead in the GC" or "gave them the leadership of the GC" ?

Hope some of this lot helps, cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:22, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

• Will need to update table when Rohan Dennis relinquishes yellow jersey, as he is currently still wearing it in 2015 Tour de France User:DuchessofNewTown 13:32, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

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