Talk:List of Asian countries by area

Reduction of text in the column named "Facts"

When a country is "the largest" according to some parameter in the world, then perhaps we can omit the "largest in Asia" attribute, which will be automatically implied. So, for example, For China, the "Facts" column currently reads, "Largest country by population in Asia as well as in the world." which we can safely change to "Largest country by population in the world." Same will be true for Kazakhstan "Largest landlocked country in Asia and in the world." --> "Largest landlocked country in the world.", and so forth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:4041:40E3:A600:4983:8FCF:DB0A:DA0 (talk) 04:07, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Yemen

A recent edit included a mention of Yemen's size including African territory. I had a quick look at Yemen and Geography of Yemen, where the apparent info of both indicated the country is fully in Asia. Both pages had however also been subjected to vandalism today, with references to Asia being replaced by clearly incorrect references to Africa. I reverted those edits and somewhat by association went on to revert the claim on this page about Yemen's African area. I did note however that Yemen mentions without further specification the country is transcontinental. List of transcontinental countries#Asia_and_Africa goes on to claim the Socotra archipelago is in Africa rather than Asia, which from visual inspection of a map seems reasonable; there is no source provided. However, even if this is correct, the area of Socotra (3,796 km2) is presumably already included in the given area of Yemen, so the correct way to show that would be to list the nation's Asian area as 524,190 km2 (527,968 km2 - 3,796 km2), and then give the total area in the comment. I'm reluctant to do this myself without a source, but wanted to place this note here to say the edits I reverted on this page may have had some merit after all. Laanders (talk) 15:22, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Percentages?

Maybe there should be a column for percentage area of Asia (like there is in the article for Asian countries by population)

Can the list be made sortable?

Can the list be made sortable? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 18:24, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Akrotiri and Dhekelia, BIOT, Christmas Island, Cocos (Keeling) Islands, Hong Kong, and Macau

Are these territories part of Asia? If they are, why are they excluded from the list? 1.64.48.231 (talk) 16:42, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

China

Taiwan is not a disputed territory but a country. Please make sure the CCP doesn't completely take over Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.183.253.43 (talk) 15:57, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Indonesia is larger than Iran

Indonesia is around 1.9 m sq km which is larger than Iran which makes it number 6 and Iran number 7 Nlivataye (talk) 13:49, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Complete update

I have done a thorough update of the table. Many changes had been requested. I added sources, a percentage column, two territories (more may be added), noted how the area figures include only area in Asia, and added notes about the total area. I also removed some facts unrelated to both area and geography in general, and changed the lead to have more interesting facts (more could be added).

I was inclusive when calculating area in Asia, but went down to the district level (below provinces) when I could. Rather than list every province that was included or excluded, I simply counted the districts when a list would be too verbose.

As the table is now very slim, I also added a map. This update is similar to the one I did for Africa. Please comment if any further improvements should be made or if I made any mistakes. Wizmut (talk) 21:42, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Georgia

Different sources place Georgia either in Asia or Europe entirely, or even a small part in Europe and mostly in Asia. But I have found no source that both splits the country and gives details on the area in each continent. Even worse, the part most likely to be European is also contested. Wizmut (talk) 22:29, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Inclusion of Russia

I am posting this in case this reaches ‎190.232.70.57. Please discuss any points you have here, rather than removing countries that have long been included.

Russia is included in this list because it has territory in Asia, namely North Asia aka Siberia. There are many other transcontinental countries in this list, such as Turkey, Kazakhstan and Indonesia. Only their Asia area is listed on the table, with the total area noted in the respective note.

If these countries were not included, large portions of Asia would be missing. Models which divide the world into continents do not exclusively consider which countries own which lands. Indeed, they mostly ignore sovereign borders and use long-standing tradition and geography.

This criteria is not perfect, but it is much easier to satisfy than first asking what culture a country belongs to, and trying to find a consensus there. There is very little agreement on whether Turkey, for example, is culturally European or otherwise. Wizmut (talk) 05:36, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Per the sources used for the population list,

Russia is a transcontinental country straddling Eastern Europe and Northern Asia. Wizmut (talk) 06:17, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

we are talking about countries not territory. Russia is a country is in Europe. Still is following official websites. Wikimaster2345678 (talk) 22:52, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

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Wikimaster2345678 (talk) 22:53, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Turkey, Kazakhstan georgia are consider Asian countries not european. There origin are not european, there capital is in asia, unlike russia is capital is in Europe. Russia is classified as european, turkey, kazakhtan and georgia are classified as asian. Wikimaster2345678 (talk) 23:01, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

russia is a country is eastern europe with siberain territoty. siberia is not separated from russia is under russian countrol. the whole country is european despite having siberia. why is dennark not a north american country 98 percent of there territory is there. People in greenland have danish passport and official languague is danish and greenladic, there is no different between russia siberia and dennark greenland. Wikimaster2345678 (talk) 23:07, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

russia is a country is eastern europe with siberian territoty. siberia is not separated from russia is under russian control. the whole country is european despite having siberia. why is dennark not a north american country 98 percent of there territory is there. People in greenland have danish passport and official languague is danish and greenlandic, there is no different between russia siberia and dennark greenland. Wikimaster2345678 (talk) 23:09, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

russia is a country is eastern europe with siberian territoty. siberia is not separated from russia is under russian control. the whole country is european despite having siberia. why is dennark not a north american country 98 percent of there territory is there. People in greenland have danish passport and official languague is danish and greenladic, there is no different between russia siberia and dennark greenland. Wikimaster2345678 (talk) 23:10, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

where did you get that absurd idea tha by conquereing other land it with trun you into somethimg else. Russia origins are european and we based on official websites. Im pretty sure you never been to russia. Based on the current president russia is consider european, misleading information can get you in trouble. we are talking about countries not territories. Russia is only member of european organizations. Wikimaster2345678 (talk) 23:17, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Russia is included in both the Europe and Asia lists, because it has territory in both continents. These articles use a model which divides the entire world into seven continents. Wizmut (talk) 23:26, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Russia is consider a country in Europe,based on the united nation and the european union. We are talking about countries not territoties russia is a country in europe with siberian territory. Thats based on official website. siberia is not separated from russia is control by russia. The whole country is consider european. Wikimaster2345678 (talk) 23:41, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

If we consider dennark a north american country I will agree with you but its not. Russia siberia is the same as dennark greenland. There is no difference there. Wikimaster2345678 (talk) 23:43, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

There isn't any source that considers Denmark to be in North America, but you can see several references below referring to Russia as both European and Asian.

Please do not continue violating the 3 revert rule or you may become blocked from editing. Wizmut (talk) 23:46, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

there isnt any source that makes russia an asian country either. Thats just ignorance. Russia is consider a european country based on the united nation and the euroepan union. Wikimaster2345678 (talk) 23:48, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

there isnt any source that makes russia an asian country either. Thats just ignorance. Russia is consider a european country based on the united nation and the european union. Wikimaster2345678 (talk) 23:49, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

@Seaweed @Discospinster please advise - not familiar with next steps in case Russia keeps getting removed. Wizmut (talk) 06:53, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

There is no offical website that shows Russia as asian thats absurd and wrong information. This is based on the European uinion and the United nations classification. They classified Russia as European.

https://www.worldometers.info/geography/how-many-countries-in-europe/

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/countries-in-europe/ Wikimaster2345678 (talk) 22:50, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

turkey is a turkic nation similar to kazakhstan and other turkic nations. I follow offical websites thats where I get information I take my time searching. Wikimaster2345678 (talk) 23:27, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

References

Russia is only consider a European country.

Russia is a country in eastern europe based on the united nations and the european uinon. These is wrong and misleading information. Russia only conquer siberia and doesnt change the country origin. Russia is only consider a European country. Wikimaster2345678 (talk) 22:47, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

The inclusion criteria is based on physical geography, not geopolitics. Archives908 (talk) 22:54, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Descriptive map

I looked but could not find a nice neat clear map of Asia that pointed out all those locations one may have forgotten about, especially Russia. I found one that was close: [4], but the borders are misleading, according to the most common definition.

A similarly almost-right map exists at Asia#Political_geography, but again the borders have small errors. And it really doesn't read well in dark mode.

Maybe readers of this list should already know where Asia is, but a lot of them don't because they forget about North Asia. Or maybe there could be an explanation section similar to List_of_European_countries_by_area#Definition.

But I'm not very good at making maps, so these are just suggestions. Wizmut (talk) 21:26, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Per MOS:TEXTASIMAGES- images are not always necessary to convey text. Keeping the article to textual information is perfectly acceptable. Asia is also linked in the first sentence, where readers can click and learn more about the continent, should they so choose. Archives908 (talk) 21:40, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

I think MOS:TEXTASIMAGES is referring to text in images used instead of plain text, like a png of a data table: [5].

A map would show the location and shape of certain objects, as well as the boundary. It wouldn't be replacing any text in this list. Wizmut (talk) 21:58, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

I could be mistaken but that's not how I interpret the policy, it states: "Textual information should almost always be entered as text rather than as an image." I'm not opposed to the inclusion of a map, but it's not always necessary. There are plenty of other Asia-related articles with map references. Archives908 (talk) 22:06, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Palestine is actually not a country, and it shouldn't have a place on this list.

Palestine is actually not a country, and it shouldn't have a place on this list. 2001:5A8:4609:A100:434:D677:8603:B119 (talk) 22:52, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Palestine is considered an independent sovereign state by the ISO 3166-1 (the standard criteria for country lists on WP) and by 139 members of the United Nations (this article's chosen source). Wizmut (talk) 23:48, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Egypt

Egypt is African country but not an Asian country 2402:8100:2573:A0AA:0:0:5FF:C621 (talk) 14:53, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Read- Sinai Peninsula. Archives908 (talk) 15:52, 10 March 2024 (UTC)