Talk:List of American Civil War generals (Union)

McPherson

This page has a contradiction. It claims General McPherson was the only general to die in action (KIA), but the first general listed, Henry Livermore Abbott is listed as KIA, along with many others, i.e. Farnsworth... Bloozthunder (talk) 01:31 26 July 2013

Right, first things first; when leaving a comment on a talk page, don't just leave it any old place; hit "New Section" rather than "Edit Page" if it's a new comment, and it will we placed on the bottom as it should be, or hit "Edit Section" for the relevant comment if you're responding to a previous user. What you did was stick it somewhere completely random in the middle of a template where there was no place for it, so the comment was entirely invisible (and unsigned) and I had to go into the page history to find it. I've now fixed it.

Second, the article doesn't say that James McPherson is the only general to die in action, it says that he was the only Union army commander to die in action; McPherson was commander of the Army of Tennessee at the time of his death, meaning he was the only general holding such a high command when he was killed; every other general killed was commanding a corps, division, brigade, or (in the case of some of the brevetted ones) a regiment when they died. IcarusPhoenix (talk) 16:36, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Timothy Andrews link

The link for Timothy Patrick Andrews redirects to the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum, which appears to have nothing to do with the general. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.159.240.225 (talk) 11:56, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, there is - a yet - no article for General Andrews; it looks like the president of the museum is a non-notable by the name of Tim Andrews; someone seems to have decided in January that while he doesn't merit his own article, he apparently was the only Timothy Andrews in history and therefore redirected the whole namespace to the museum; I've fixed it with a disambiguation page. IcarusPhoenix (talk) 18:56, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

In 2015 an article was posted on Timothy Andrews (general). His substantive grade was lieutenant colonel. He was appointed a brevet brigadier general for Mexican-American War service. He was the deputy paymaster general for the Union Army at the start of the American Civil War and was paymaster general from July 12, 1862 to September 6, 1862 when he retired. Donner60 (talk) 05:28, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Civil War-era bed with initials

My parents found a civil war era headboard and footboard bed with the Union crest on the headboard. It has a piece of metal on the side rails with a date of 1865 on it and there are initials on both the headboard and footboard of 'FET'. I cannot find any Generals with those initials, but did other officers have beds in the field? JDHumke (talk) 23:56, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Eicher lists two Union Army officers who are possibilities. Neither seems to have been in the field for long periods of time. Both were postwar brevet generals. Frederick Townsend (no middle initial) and Fred Eugene Trotter. Trotter was wounded at Cedar Mountain. After being out of the service, he returned as an officer in the Veteran Reserve Corps. He was likely stationed in Washington, DC or some other post and not in the field. Although not a general at the time, I suppose it is possible that he could be a candidate if not stationed in the field. Donner60 (talk) 05:33, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

General Bill France

Devil_Anse_Hatfield and another related article refer to General Bill France, but we don't have an article for him, or even a redirect to a unit. Is he more than just Hatfield McCoy folklore? ϢereSpielChequers 13:55, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Deletion/Cleanup uf brevet generals

Copied from the respective section of the talk page of the sister list about brevet generals ... GELongstreet (talk) 11:46, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

As I have been working my way through the List of American Civil War generals (Union), cleaning up the infoboxes, adding information, etc., I have found a large number of men on this list who were given brevet promotions, but their substantive rank remained at colonel or lower. Shouldn't they be deleted after making certain that they're on this ACW brevet generals list? Spacini (talk) 21:36, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

• The introduction of the general's list says " while some 1,600 officers received or were nominated for brevets as general officers in the course of the war (or immediately following it for service during the war), only a small selection is listed here; for the sake of brevity, only those who held governorships or national offices, served as presidential cabinet secretaries, received the Medal of Honor, were killed in action, were department heads within the army, or had notable relations are listed here." So while I would support the deletion of the brevet generals from the substantive generals' list, as simple as because they have their very own list here, there may be some need for discussion. ...GELongstreet (talk) 05:21, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
  • As many times as I've read that introduction, I do not recall that passage, but I thank you for the reminder. I'm not sure I agree with the inclusion of any brevet generals on the list of generals with substantive rank at brigadier general or higher, considering that this list exists, but it is already very long as it is. Thinking.... Spacini (talk) 15:27, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
• Should the List of American Civil War generals (Union) include those who, like Strong Vincent, was posthumously promoted and not confirmed? I would think it shouldn't as he was at the rank of colonel before he was mortally wounded. Spacini (talk) 18:55, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
  • I think posthumous definitely belong there, but I´m not sure about the unconfirmed ones. Probably in an extra section like in the Confederate generals list? Be it with or without a list on their own, they deserve to be mentioned and not just for the brevets alone ... GELongstreet (talk) 13:39, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
  • I made a beginning on the list of generals and deleted most of the brevet generals - those listed just for family relations, political offices, or for earning the MOH. For now, I left those who were killed, those who led army departments, the ones who got incomplete or revoked promotions, and the few that became U.S. Presidents. ...GELongstreet (talk) 11:46, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

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Where is General George McClellan?

--76.185.174.187 (talk) 05:02, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Under M, where he belongs. ...GELongstreet (talk) 11:04, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Please add Major General John Ramsay

I see that Major General John Ramsay is not on the list. I do not feel competent to edit. Here is some info on him: http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/jramsey.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.27.46.47 (talk) 14:02, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

• Done Radar488 (talk) 19:38, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

  I have removed John Ramsay from the list. He was a lieutenant colonel subsequently awarded a brevet rank. His name is on the List of American Civil War brevet generals (Union). The definitive source, United States War Department, The Military Secretary's Office, Memorandum Relative to the General Officers in the Armies of the United States During the Civil War, 1861–1865 (Compiled from Official Records.) 1906, p. 45, shows him as a brevet general. The marker does as well. Reliable modern historians such as Hunt and Brown and Eicher and Eicher list him as a brevet general. Warner does not list him at all because he was not a full, substantive (or actual rank or grade as sometimes shown) general. Curiously enough, the list from the official records as well as Hunt and Brown and Eicher and Eicher spell his surname as "Ramsey." Donner60 (talk) 04:57, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Please add Joseph Barr Kiddoo, Brevet Major General Vols

https://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/entries/kiddoo-joseph-barr — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.27.46.47 (talk) 18:21, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

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