Talk:List of Afro-Latinos

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Wyclef Jean

He's Haitian. Haitians aren't Hispanic and never have been. Unless there is something I don't know about in his past, it doesn't seem to make sense to have him here. Would someone like to explain? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.102.128.163 (talk) 15:01, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Who ever said he was Hispanic? this artical is about Afro-Latin Americans which includes Latinos and hispanics. if you did your research than you would know that haiti, brazil, french guiana and other non speaking spanish countries in that Americas are consider latin america because of their similar past history with the speaking spanish neighboring countries. and not only that, and because they all speak the romance language. French and Portuguese comes from Latin, so any country in the americas that speak the romance language are part of latin america. that would make Wyclef Jean a Afro-Haitian/Afro-Latin American/Latino,he's not hispanic because he doesn't speak spanish and does not comes from a spanish\hispanic speaking backround. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnymurda (talk • contribs) 13:54, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

This discussion pefectly illustrates why this list is unmanageable, pure original research, and should be deleted. As a side note, I've never heard anyone outside of the US refer to themselves as Latino. No Argentinian or Mexican thinks they are Latino. Only persons of "Hispanic" decent living in the US use that term.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 17:11, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned references in List of Afro-Latinos

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Inclusion of African descendants from Martinique and Haiti based on accurate, yet unpopular, criteria

Map showing the dates of independence of the countries of the Americas. Black shows areas not independent.

I am reinserting the sections on Martinique and Haiti deleted by RiverBlue2 suggesting that the African descended populations from there are not Afro-Latin American.

According to the article on the Americas Martinique is among the list of overseas regions, dependencies and other polities that belong to the American geographic region (not the nation), but do not fall into the category of being "sovereign states". Martinique is controlled, and was colonized, by France, one of the original Latin-based nations (culture, people and language). Furthermore, the island's original inhabitants, the Arawak and Carib peoples, are considered Indigenous Americans because they were native to the Americas. 80% of the indigenous population is of African slave, Caucasian, and Indigenous ancestry, carrying on the Arawak and Carib bloodlines.

According to the same article Haiti is among 35 sovereign states in the Americas. The country is part of the American geographic region. Although an independent nation Haiti was colonized by France, one of the original Latin-based nations (culture, people and language). Furthermore, the island's original inhabitants, the Taino peoples, are considered Indigenous Americans because they were native to the Americas.

Latin culture was not only inherited from Spain and Portugal via the colonial era - see Latin and Latins. Therefore, Martinique and Haiti are, indeed, a Latin American entities due to their geographic disposition of being in the Americas (which includes the Caribbean), and by way of cultural, ethnic and linguistic heritage. Thus, the African descendants living in both Haiti and Martinique are Afro-Latin American. Bab-a-lot (talk) 17:23, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Uncited claims brought from the article

For anyone hoping to improve or add content to this article, there is a lot of uncited names here in Archive one Feel free to cite and replace, thanks. Please do not add any name without its own individual wikipedia relaible citation..imo to be placed on this list, there should also be some mention of the persons afro Latino status on their wikipedia Biography also. Also an explanation somewhere, here or there, here and on the subjects individual article preferably, explaining something about, how and where and why it is a correct addition. For example: - John Smith is a Afro Latino, his mother was born in Lagos, Africa and was an African person and his father was Argentinian and he was born in Argentina and is an Afro Latino...then provide a citation or citations to support your claims. Off2riorob (talk) 15:35, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

These are the conditions that require supporting wikipedia reliable citations: - This is a list of people of Afro-Latino descent. People included here must have at least one wikipedia reliable source asserting that they are Afro-Latinos; that is, that the persons or their ancestors hail from Latin America, have lived a substantial part of their life there, and are of at least partial Black African ancestry. .. Off2riorob (talk) 15:35, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Having an esssentially blank article is stupid. I'll re-add the list again but at the same time list it for deletion. --Schuhpuppe (talk) 16:53, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Third opinion: I'm not sure what's going on here, but this is pretty ridiculous. Blanking the article went a little too far in my opinion, but then renominating it for AfD is really just compounding the problem. Honestly if I were you guys, I would restore the text and get to work on finding sources as soon as possible. It's true that BLP requires the article to be sourced, but I think an overall wipe of the page is a bit heavy handed. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 22:32, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the re-afd is a joke and should really be closed, there was just an AFD closed the day before as no consensus, anyways. that AFD was open for 12 days and there is the article waiting for someone anyone to start filling it up with cited claims but no one is doing it, I almost added Pele myself yesterday. Personally I don't think anyone can be bothered to do the work finding the citations, and creating something that is actually a valuable educational asset. As the article was it was valueless and a vandal magnet with BLP violations and was as useful as a cat Brazilian_people_of_Black_African_descent Off2riorob (talk) 10:43, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

I was not wanting to troll through the list as it was, but, the thing to do if you want this list to have any value at all is go look at the people, go to their article and find the cites and the detial that assert the afro-latino and add it and start the list anew..some of the people I have looked at that were on the list have also nothing to support their African genetics on their article ..for example Maynor Suazo Honduran footballer, nothing in the article to support his family have roots in Africa, he does clearly look to me like he does but that is not a good reason to add him to a wikipedia list. Is it? Uncited list of people who live or were born in South America that look a bit African - Off2riorob (talk) 11:31, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

This list is going to be almost impossible to populate given the fact that people of African ancestry in Latin America rarely self-identify as such even in countries with a large African ancestry such as Brazil. 208.54.86.132 (talk) 01:00, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Split

Afro-Latino is a term used mainly for Black Hispanic and Latino Americans in the United States. This list contains a number of individuals from Latin America. I propose splitting off those individuals into a separate list, List of Afro–Latin Americans. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 21:43, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Carly Simon

Her maternal grandmother was Cuban, half Spanish and half Afro-Cuban. More of a problem for inclusion is that she has few ties to any Latino culture than that she looks white.Pbrower2a (talk) 05:06, 20 May 2022 (UTC)