Talk:Lisa Nandy

Nationality

You'd better argue it out with lisa Nandy MP herself, then, because she seems proud to announce herself as being 'British-Asian'. Personally, I'd say Asian-British was more in keeping.

As for your 'undoing' and alteration of my edits, WHY? I only provided factual notes which were also verifiable.

Jemmy. (keep watching) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.239.71.235 (talk) 12:50, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

And, whilst you won't have 'British-Asian' as Lisa's nationality, you see fit to add her to the wikipedia article entitled 'British-Asian Politicians'. Unbelievable! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.239.71.235 (talk) 12:57, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

When there is such a country as "British Asia", and it's verified that Nandy is a citizen of that country, I'll be more than happy for the article to be altered accordingly. Categorising the subject as a British-Asian Politician merely states that she is British and of Asian ethnicity.

As for my tweaking your edits, it is the case that A) at least one of your edits unbalanced the article (IMO), B) you screwed up the citation formatting, & C) one or two more citations needed to be added just to fully verify the statements you added. So I took action. --Ibn (talk) 13:02, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

• I would gladly provide a hundred citations, however, I would only be accused of overloading the article.

Lisa Nandy refers to herself as being British-Asian. Several articles on the web refer to British-Asian nationality. Why do you deny this? It's verifiable FACT! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.239.71.235 (talk) 13:06, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Get hold of a map of the world and point out the country of British Asia to me. --Ibn (talk) 13:09, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

R.A.I.D. (read and inwardly digest)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Asian

http://www.britishasiantrust.org/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.239.71.235 (talk) 13:13, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Nice. Where does it state that "British Asian" is a nationality? --Ibn (talk) 13:14, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I will agree to disagree on Nationality. British Asian is, however, a descriptive terminology so I have added the term to her description. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.239.71.235 (talk) 13:22, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Fine, that seems to pass Wikipedia:MOSBIO#Opening paragraph. --Ibn (talk) 13:31, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

The easy solution seems to me that you simply mention what makes her notable in the Opening Paragraph. This leaves her nationality well established, and also includes her "British Asian"ness.Koncorde (talk) 14:04, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Only a British National can become an MP in the British Government. Lisa Nandy is a British National, of Asian descent. She's not Asian. However, Asian Media like to point out her Asian descent. She is regarded as being British-Asian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.239.71.235 (talk) 01:06, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

So by your own admittance - she is British. However her extraction is notable for the purpose of being inclusive in a defined ethnic group. Do you have any citations for classing herself as "British Asian" rather than "British"?Koncorde (talk) 10:39, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

The Nationality debate seems to have become quite philosophical but - it may or may not be pertinent to your on going discussion that Lisa is the daughter of the noted 70's, Indian born, pro immigration campaigner Dipak Nandy. Her mother is white. So if she might be british asian or asian british then i guess that might alter the ratio some what. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.212.184 (talk) 10:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Guys, I could call myself a Martian, but that doesn't make it so even if some left-wing newspaper goes along with it for reasons of ideology, rather we have to take the weight of evidence as reflected by the sources, these sources state that Nady is an 'Anglo-Indian' as defined by the Oxford, the Collins, Mirriam Webster, Cambridge and Encyclopedia Brittanica dictionaries. Twobells^t@lk 12:26, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Clearly not Asian British, born in Britain to a british parent and being a British politician all negates putting Asian first. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 18:51, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

I don't think there's a serious question here, but we shouldn't include a person's ethnicity in the lead unless it's relevant to their notability, per MOS:ETHNICITY. Nandy is notable because she's an MP. Ralbegen (talk) 19:40, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

LabourList

As I have reason to believe there may be as many as two other people now watching this article, I thought I'd ask for input on the reliability of LabourList as a source. This post, attributed to Lisa Nandy, claims she is to be vice-chair of the Communities and Local Government backbench committee. --Ibn (talk) 16:30, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

It's about as reliable as her Blog. I'm not sure what wiki's advice is on using peoples blogs for details. I guess providing you cite that "she announced" that it's as accurate as anything for attribution purposes. Obviously for making more outspoken claims you'd have to be careful (i.e. criticism of Conservatives/Liberals etc). I can't find any other cites for her claims unfortunately. For instance the main government site on the Committee doesn't mention any backbench committee[1] and hasn't done anything since the 6th of April anyways.[2].Koncorde (talk) 01:03, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Grandfather

I've only got snippet view access to Debrett's. It's enough to source Nandy's parent's as (Ann) Luise Nandy and Dipak Nandy but it appears to imply that her grandfather on her mother's side was Liberal MP Frank Byers. Does anyone have a full copy of Debretts to confirm that this is the case? It'll probably be a few works before I can get to a library to confirm it myself, but might be helpful if someone could do it in the meantime. Stuart.Jamieson (talk) 16:13, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Another Rachel Dolezal vis-à-vis Cultural Appropriation?

Hmmm, this is very odd, her entire maternal line is Anglo-Saxon British, the only way to describe her would be 'Anglo-Indian' or 'Anglo-Asian', why are a couple of left-wing papers casting her as 'Asian'? The vast weight of sources refers to 'Anglo-Indian' not 'Asian'. Twobells^t@lk 12:07, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

MOS:BLPLEAD guides with Ethnicity or sexuality should not generally be emphasized in the opening. Thus, "Lisa Nandy (born whenever) is a British ..." is correct opening. Mr Stephen (talk) 13:52, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

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Length of lead

I added some details such as her previous employment and what she studied at university, but this was removed by Ralbegen who said that it made the lede "too busy". Thoughts from anyone else as to whether these details should be included in the lead? Bellowhead678 (talk) 13:36, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

To expand a bit, most BLP leads don't cover the subject's education, especially a BLP of this length. It doesn't really summarise the body of the article because where she studied and what she studied is the entire material in the article. Her education and pre-political career are also not part of why she's notable. I appreciate that the lead remains quite short as things stand and it would be good to improve that, but I think that has to filter up from the main prose in the body of the article. As more reliable source material is written about Nandy and her pre-parliamentary life, the more reason there will be to summarise it in the lead without giving it undue weight. Ralbegen (talk) 16:51, 5 January 2020 (UTC)