Talk:Lion in the Meadow (Succession)

Requested move 28 May 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 01:47, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

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Lion in the Meadow (Succession) → Lion in the Meadow – This episode appears to be the primary topic over the book with a slightly different title. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:22, 28 May 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 18:19, 4 June 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 18:25, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

• A Lion in the Meadow. Neutral. But have reverted the undiscussed move of the episode clashing with the Haydn mass article. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:52, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose WP:NOPRIMARY in this situation, I have disambiguated the target. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:07, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

  @Zxcvbnm: Would you mind elaborating on why you think there's no primary topic here? It's 2 years after the episode aired and it still has more than 10 times as many views as the book. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:37, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

  The book and the episode had enough views to make it hard to determine what was primary even as recently as 2022. On Oct. 17, 2022 the book got more views than the episode article did. This is pure recentism. I think it will need another several years for show popularity to cool down before we can really claim one is primary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:55, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support move: As the creator of the redirect, I'd be happy to see the TV episode moved to the base title with a redirect pointing to the book at its different (includes "A ") title, and a reciprocal hatnote at the book article. The presence or absence of "A " is enough to make the two titles distinct, no need to bother readers with a dab page (unless or until another lion in a meadow materialises). PamD 18:50, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose the evident problem is that children's book is so famous that it is out there as "The Lion.." "A Lion..." and just "Lion.." is Googleland. There's no benefit to anyone in this situation in disguising a TV episode when (Succession) is recognizable. As editors we shouldn't assume that readers always know the exact title of things with clinical precision when looking. It's just as likely that Succession fans are as unclear on The/A/zero Lion as children's book fans getting The/a/zero Lion mixed up. Let's just leave the article at existing recognisable title and let all readers, expert or not, find it, or avoid it if they're looking for something else. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:00, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

  But if each article is at its correct title, and has a clear hatnote pointing to the other, then many readers will get where they want first time and everyone else will have only one more click to make. Straightforward solution. PamD 08:40, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nomination, paired with Lion in the Meadow → deleted to make room for move. Since the Lion in the Meadow disambiguation page lists only two entries, the simplest solution would be elimination of the dab page and a hatnote atop each of the two entries, pointing to the other, per PamD. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 08:44, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.