Talk:Liga Panameña de Fútbol

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I hope to add the past tables available from www.rsssf.com (I believe since 1996-97, as well as the Grand Champions from each year in an html table.

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Requested move 31 July 2013

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The result of the proposal was not moved. --BDD (talk) 21:48, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Liga Panameña de Fútbol → Panamanian Football League – It seems like an appropriate, literal translation. MicroX (talk) 18:35, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

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• Oppose - we should not make up our own names just to have an English title. If used in English sources, we should use the article-title that is most common in English sources. If it isn't used in English sources, we should use the native name. The only English source I've found is soccerway, which uses "LPF" which might be an abbreviation of the current article-title. Mentoz86 (talk) 20:33, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose per Mentoz; why are we giving a made-up name to something? GiantSnowman 10:35, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

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Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. MicroX (talk) 18:35, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

• Comment - I could barely find anything in English. Panama Sport Soccer or football, as commonly referred in Panama, is an all year sports event with Liga Panameña de Fútbol - the official football league of Panama being .... Wouldn't it be Football League of Panama anyway? In ictu oculi (talk) 20:00, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

You are correct, the exact phrase Panamanian Football League will probably not be found in English sources since it is not given much interest by the international media. I was following the precedent set in some UEFA football league article where leagues were literally translated from their native language to English such as Welsh Premier League, Armenian Premier League, Israeli Premier League, Azerbaijan Premier League, Belarusian Premier League, Premier League of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Russian Football Premier League and Ukrainian Premier League. The literal translation of Football League of Panama would be Liga de Fútbol de Panamá. (I hope you don't mind me moving your comment to the discussion section) --MicroX (talk) 20:15, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Obviously panameña is an adjective, but a literal translation with the adjective "Panamanian" still sounds very odd to my ears - even after seeing the adjective "Armenian" "Belarusian" in the examples above. That English tourist website says "with Liga Panameña de Fútbol - the official football league of Panama" which seems a more natural English-sounding translation, to my ears at least. Or just leave it like Honduras and a few others in Category:National association football premier leagues. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:23, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

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