Talk:Liga MX

Standardized Team Names

I believe we should work to standardize the club names on all the Mexican football wikis. Currently the names lack consistency and might be confusing to someone interested in learning about Mexican football. I propose using:

Group 1	Group 2	Group 3
Atlante	América	Atlas
Monterrey	Cruz Azul	Jaguares
Pachuca	Guadalajara	Necaxa
Puebla	Morelia	San Luis
Santos	UAG	Toluca
Ciudad Juárez	UNAM	UANL

While the common, popular names of certain clubs such as Chivas and Pumas are not used, I feel these standard names properly emphasize the location of the teams. We could also do something like Medio Tiempo or Nombre Popular from FEMEXFUT. While this might not seem like an important issue I would love to hear as many opinions as possible so we can create consistency in the Mexican football articles. Lineofire (talk) 05:01, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

{{Cleanup-list|date=January 2008}}

I took {{Cleanup-list|date=January 2008}} off the top. It looks like this:

and isn't really appropriate for an article that's not a list. Perhaps it's referring to the list of champions or something, but I didn't see any obvious holes there. If it was added for a reason, please clarify here. Thanks, PhilipR 04:47, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

The problem is simply that there are too many lists. Wikipedia is not a collection of indiscriminant information, and this page is more like an almanac. Prehaps you should summarise the lists in paragraphs, and possibly move the lists into separate articles if they're notable in themselves. --Tango 22:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I see what Tango means. I'm going to edit the Titles box in order to make it look more like the one on the La Liga page, a similar article with no {{Cleanup-list|date=January 2008}} tag. Also, the divisional movements list is not essential to the article. I'll see if there's any way to incorporate that to other articles (such as existing First Division clubs' articles - as the list is relevant to the histories of those teams) or creating a separate article for it. Instinkt 01:18, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay. I've edited the Titles box in a format much like the one in the La Liga page, with the intent to make the shorten the page length. The "Divisional Movements" table is now gone, and currently on my user page. I will work to incorporate the information in a non-list format to the respective club pages which the list references. I still believe there are too many lists. Particularly the season by season top goalscorer list bothers me. I'll see what I can do with that. - Instinkt 01:31, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I've removed another list, but provided a link off-site to find the information that was removed. The article now has four lists, the first of which is essential to the article. The other three are helpful companions which are often featured in other football league articles that do not feature a {{Cleanup-list|date=January 2008}} tag. I will now remove the tag in this article. If any other editor feels the need to keep the tag, please discuss the reasons why here. Thanks. - Instinkt 01:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I believe the league has added an extra round to the playoffs with 10 total teams now. 4 teams playoff for the final 2 spots in the quarterfinals... http://www.femexfut.org.mx/portal/indexcontenido.php?Obj=100105 . The top 2 teams from each of the 3 groups appear to make the playoffs directly, while the remaining 4 best records reach the "recalificación." 132.170.41.154 07:13, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

why are there american NFL stadiums listed in the stadium section?

Dorados

Has Dorados replaced Querétaro because they are the Premier A champions?

-No, they still have to play a two-legged match against FC Puebla, who were champions the season before. Whoever wins this will be promoted to Primera División.

Most Important League?

This is what the first paragraph of the article says about the Mexican league: "And recognized by FIFA as the most important league outside of Europe". As much as I would love this to be true, there is no evidence for the claim. If no citation is found soon, it'd be a good idea to delete that sentence.

I couldn't find any source for that so changed it to the more NPOV..

It is regarded amongst the most prominent leagues in the Americas and the only league outside of South America who are allowed to contribute clubs to the Copa Libertadores.

IMO it is probably third behind Argentina and Brazil, but is deffinetly highly regarded. - The Daddy 13:16, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Most important league

This seems like an odd thing to say. A statement that is as definitive as this should be properly cited. I too believe the Mexican league to be one of the best in the world, but there needs to be some type of evidence for this claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.54.102 (talk) 12:12, June 30, 2007 (UTC)

Copa Libertadores Qualification

The article should include how Mexican teams qualify for the Copa Libertadores and Copa Sudamericana. MicroX 21:13, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Almost two years later, I really have to echo this. The Mexican situation seems extremely complicated, with teams qualifying for the CONCACAF Champions League, the SuperLiga, the Copa Libertadores (some through InterLiga play) and the Copa Sudamericana. It should really be explained here. Can a team qualify for both a North American and a South American tournament, for instance? —JAO • T • C 21:58, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I thought I had it figured out, but then they changed everything! Granted some of the changes were due to the dispute with CONMEBOL over the whole swine flu thing, and if the SuperLiga changes are confirmed it makes more sense. I'll summarise what I think the situation is, but I don't know if I'm correct:

1st) If a team qualifies for the CONCACAF Champions League, then they are not eligible for any of the other competitions, however a team can apparently qualify for both SuperLiga and Copa Libertadores at the same time. Not sure if a team can qualify for both of the South American competitions in the same year or not.

2 tournaments a year, Aperutra of one year and Clausura of the next year constitute a "season". Each tournament (Apertura & Clasura) has 3 groups of 6 teams, each team play's everyother team only once (for 17 games), top 2 from each group plus the two best third place finishers go to playoffs (Liguilla).

The Apertura Liguilla winner is entered into the next season's Champions League group phase.

The Apertura Liguilla runner-up is entered into the next season's Champions League preliminary phase.

The team from the Apertura regular season (not playoff) with the best results, who is not already in the _current_ season's Champions League, goes to the next years Copa Libertadores while the next 8 best teams from the Apertura regular season (not playoff), who are also not in the current season's Champions League, go to the next years InterLiga to determine the other 2 Mexican entrants to the Copa Libertadores.

The Clausura Liguilla champion is entered into the next season's Champions League group phase.

The Clausura Liguilla runner-up is entered into the next season's Champions League preliminary round.

The two best teams from the Clausura regular season (not playoff), who are not in the _next_ season's Champion's League, are entered into that years Copa Sudamericana.

At the end of a season:

The Apertura & Clausura liguilla champion's, if not the same team, playoff to determine the season's champion.

The regular season (not playoff) records for the apertura and clausura of the same calendar year (not season??) are combined, and the top four teams not otherwise qualified for the Champions League enter the SuperLiga.

the lowest points-per-game team over the last three season's is relegated and replaced by the lower division's champion unless the lower division champion is a reserve team in which case the team threated with relegation play's off against the highest placed non-reserve team from the lower division, with the winner of that series promoted to, or staying in, the higher division.

What happens if a team earns more than one of the spots for the Champions League and/or SuperLiga?

In the case of the Champions League, I presume the next best regular season Clasura team, not already in the champions League, would get the first duplicate spot (thus bumping them "up" from the Copa Sudamericana), but what about if there are more than one duplicate spots? Would the next best Apertura team get it or would you keep going down the Clasura results?

for the Superliga I presume the first duplicate spot would it be offered to the Clasura play-off runner-up, assuming they are not already in the SuperLiga, but if there are additional multiple spots, then what happens? The Apertura play-off runner-up? The previous Clausura play-off runner-up? The Clasura regular season next-best? etc?

If a mexican team wins the Champions League (like this year) they will compete in the FIFA World Club Cup in December. While the Copa Libertadores winner also competes, should a Mexican team win that competition they would not be eligible because they can't represent CONMEBOL only CONCACAF

Theoretically the SuperLiga champion gains entry to the Pan Pacific Championship but in 2008 Pachuca declined and in 2009 New England did not partake (not invited or declined, I don't know)

Again, I don't know if that's true, but it seems to be the case. And again, the resolution of the CONMEBOL dispute changes this season's number of entrants to the Copa Libertadores.

That's also assuming they did the change the qualification to the SuperLiga (it used to be the winner of the Apertura and Clausura playoffs would get into the current and the next SuperLiga)

Can anyone confirm or correct this information?

What I can never figure out is how are the groups within the Primera División determined?

Gecko G (talk) 06:05, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

And now CONCACAF has pulled all it's teams out of the Copa Sudamericana (http://www.concacaf.com/view_article.aspx?id=4793) Gecko G (talk) 09:56, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

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No reference

The link of the first citation does not provide any proof that Guadalajara is the most successful team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.53.242.146 (talk) 08:29, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

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